To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

@QuimCarrey it's just a separate recommendation for anyone who might wonder what impact PMQs has on the public.

It's pretty much what they discuss via focus groups. Listening to Starmer a couple of times was enough, maybe others feel similarly. But if you want a segment that's pretty much related to what you're after that's it.

You don't think a building site in the red wall is real world? What about small business owners who's businesses will be lucky to survive like myself? Or the local farmer who was proudly donning his Stuck Farmer hoody this morning when I went to buy eggs? If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it isn't happening, happy days.

But the Daily Mail doesn't like him! Some posters think that is the be all and end all of political discourse.

Ongoing mn threads talking about how well he's doing pretty much aren't either

More than that they're removed from general sentiment

I'm talking about what you said, in our discussion about why you think Starmer isn't actually good at PMQs and his performance explains the polls.

You said that you don't listen to Times Radio any more, and recommended it as having coverage that would back up your claim about the impact of DM PMQs coverage on current polls. If you don't listen to it any more, obviously you must have learned about the content in some other way.

But the Daily Mail doesn't like him! Some posters think that is the be all and end all of political discourse.

Not everyone is convinced that he needs to be 'got rid of', but there will be a general election in 2029 or possibly a bit earlier. If his party lose, he will no longer be Prime Minister and will probably resign as leader of the party. He's not going to be forced out of office because the Daily Telegraph or TikTok or some opinion poll says he's unpopular.

I am not surprised that Trump does not like Starmer. He does not like decent honest people one bit. But I trust Starmer to do the right diplomatic thing to try and preserve US/UK relations.

Well, MN has never been a representative demographic, I suppose. And I've no claim to be posh!

I've never heard before of the Times Radio covering the impact of competitor coverage on PMQs. So was there an article?

What are you talking about? An article?

It's the radio, try listening to TR on Wednesdays your best bet. It's focus groups post PMQs

@TheNuthatch Your description of people doing ‘silly impressions’ and ‘taking the piss out of’ politicians isn’t uncommon, you know - lots of comedy has centred on exactly this - so not really sure of its relevance or why you’d think it’s a measure of the ‘real world’…

Yes, I saw it was a recommendation. That's why I wanted to know what specifically you'd based it on, so I could look. Still do.

It couldn't have been coverage that hadn't happened yet and you said you don't listen any more. I've never heard before of the Times Radio covering the impact of competitor coverage on PMQs. So was there an article?

Clearly I do

Can't say I meet many real world people who pay attention to PMQs, actually. But perhaps you move in more rarefied circles!

@TheNuthatch yep! it's so removed

@QuimCarrey it was simply a recommendation for a segment that is related to your questions.

I found it interesting and it showed how much the lines used do filter through to the public. They'll be talking about the same things now if you want insight

Erm, I'm pretty sure links to radio coverage and content discussing radio coverage can in fact exist. The question is whether they actually do in this case.

Just spend some time in the real world, you'll soon get a feel for what many people think of starmer and co

I know! It's getting crazy on here. I was in a building site canteen for lunch this week. I heard men doing silly impressions of Starmer and taking the piss out of him. I'm astonished that so many pp on here can't see what people really think of him!

@PandoraSox whilst I appreciate the effort I'm pretty sure there's other things than highlighting posts that are better on this lovely day

If you want to pull up the person I quoted feel free.

Exactly! Some posters on MN are clearly getting desperate in their defence of Starmer

The pp doesn't listen to the radio programme she cited any more. So although it's possible to link to radio recordings from a particular show on the internet, presumably she's basing her recommendation on something else, since this is a discussion about the reason for current polls. I'd like to know what.

On the DM point, that's a good question. I don't rule out the possibility that such evidence exists. If it doesn't, and the pp simply thinks that because some people make comments about DM articles on PMQs that means they must be a significant factor in the poll results, no doubt she can say so.

Starmer was rattled and irritated throughout

I saw a different one and thought the same, it's a fairly common view going by btl comments

I know the bit in bold denotes another poster.

But you wrote that the BiB "sums up Starmer at PMQs". Here it is again.

Exactly this, the constant demand for links that can’t possibly exist is just getting tedious

How is a pp supposed to link to something heard on the radio? Or link to how many people have ready a particular article in the daily mail for that matter.