To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

@EasternStandard Sainsbury's cafe closure is long planned & part of an ongoing cost reduction drive.

@pointythings of course you have no idea, perhaps that says something about your mindset.

As for policy why is shrinking the private sector good for growth exactly?

Take the recent loss of 3000 jobs from Sainsbury's due to the budget, why is that a good outcome?

@EasternStandard I have no idea why you are perceiving my posts as an attack - possibly this says something about your mindset? You can post what you want and where you want.

As for public opinion - if there's one thing you can be sure about, it's that it's a fickle beast. If the economy turns around and people have more money in their pocket and are happier, it will change. Which is why making policy based on popularity, media perceptions and polls is such a bad idea.

@pointythings again good try with the attack lines

I'll post where I wish and if you can't bear any negativity over Labour I suggest you avoid everything bar those Labour threads where you all agree they're doing great.

There's a whole commentary out there that show you're in the minority.

Have you actually been checking in with the media, polls, news, recently?

It could also get better. The difference between us is that I'm not constantly doomposting on every single anti Starmer thread that appears on this forum. My attitude is and always has been a matter of let's see, let's give them a chance.

All I care about is a government brave enough to get the country back on track whatever it takes which is what we’ve got.

Well that's a minority opinion rn, your belief isn't felt by many

Besides how does shrinking the private sector, lose jobs and stall growth do that exactly?

@pointythings good try..

I've said it could get worse, unless you think you know for sure that won't happen, that's true.

Only polls I care about are in 31/2years time. I literally don’t care at this stage of the game. All I care about is a government brave enough to get the country back on track whatever it takes which is what we’ve got.

Don’t remember you hiding or accepting the Tory’s dire popularity the past few years.

I'm not surprised by what's happening in the world either, it's just that I don't pretend to know what is going to happen and never have. Unlike your good self, it appears.

Ditto to you @pointythings

Although a few years ago I could see the right would go up in the western world and I can't say I'm surprised by what's happening

I had the same posters back then with similar backlash

Or they may be much better. I know you would rather they didn't, but you don't know any more than anyone else.

@Ch01c3s feel free to filter all news, commentary and polls so you can see Labour in as positive position as you want

I can't say I care what you access, but it dies t make their situation go away

And you are in the minority rn, 70% think similarly so I guess you'll have to hide or accept it

Well no party wanted this gig for a reason, sorting the mess the Tories left would make any government unpopular .Tories didn’t want to sort the mess they caused for sure. Reform has no policies so is well aware they can’t sort the country out. They just want to swoop in when it’s all over as they just ride on sound bites, ditto the Tories as we all know. When Labour start sorting the under funding of services, the waiting lists, crumbling school buildings, trade with Europe, the Tory Brexit aftermath car crash…..to name but a few popularity will rise and 4 years is a long time for that to happen. Don’t think you seemed to care about Tory unpopularity when they were in power .Why was that? A sceptic might think that somebody so invested and focused on Labour popularity ( and little else) iin the early days of government is trying( and failing) to whip up some kind of storm. It really is dull and really highlights desperation alongside a serious lack of a Tory plan.

And they may well be in a worse position by then.

They're not static as anyone can see since each week they go down further

We've had poll crashes before under the Tories and yet they ended up reelected, so making assumptions on anything based on polling is a fool's errand. Public opinion is more volatile than it has ever been. Any belief that Labour will be out in 2029 based on current polls is no more than wishful thinking. If a week is a long time in politics, four and a half years is an eternity.

Not really if they reduce waiting lists, sort the broken MH system and actually support people into work. Many many people are stuck on benefits because waiting list for all sorts of treatment are ridiculously long. The difference with labour and Tory is Labour will look at cause and try to do something about it whereas Tory will just slash budgets already rock bottom without doing anything about cause or waiting lists.

God yes

But it is true that some posters seem to want to believe that the polls won't change in any way between now and 2028/2029.

Can you point out which post or poster?

The real tears and emojis will start when the welfare cuts are announced. I mean RR actually doing an exclusive for the red tops - declaring her war in sickness benefits. It’s almost like she knows support is collapsing and people are heading to Reform - she’s literally appealing the main audience.

I didn't call anyone an idiot. But it is true that some posters seem to want to believe that the polls won't change in any way between now and 2028/2029.

I wasn't referring to you, btw. You seem like a decent person who it is worth having a conversation with. I am sorry that my post offended you.

Snark and sarcasm had been driving Labour's position for a few years on mn, plus using 'bot' of course, and the usual cry laugh emoji thrown in

Labour are doing too badly to keep with that

It would just be nice to disagree in good faith with usual levels of politeness.

@ByMerryKoala yep I think insults are used when there's a loss of argument

I don't think Labour can rely on that anymore

That's really rude. So you honestly believe that people who are engaged enough in politics to keep abreast of these things are unaware that polls can change?

What it is indicative of is a current crashing loss of confidence in the established parties and current policy.

I'm happy to chat away with people who I don't agree with and tell you how I arrived at my opinions and even change my own if presented with new information. But to then take all that and just summarise other posters as idiots is so very disappointing but I suppose it's typical.