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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:32

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:14

has any new gov lost it this quickly?

Yes. Thatcher went on to win two more elections after this.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/british-public-opinion-april-1980

I admire your faith and optimism, but I wouldn't say Starmer is the same calibre as Thatcher.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:31

Rachel’s trying to save her arse.

Ed’s trying to save the environment.

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:18

It seems Reeves is about to give the go ahead for airport expansions. Meanwhile Ed Miliband is spending billions of our taxpayer £ on 'going green'. Make it make sense.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:14

has any new gov lost it this quickly?

Yes. Thatcher went on to win two more elections after this.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/british-public-opinion-april-1980

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 20:59

Things aren't going going well for anyone.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:31

maxplanck · 26/01/2025 17:27

People getting all wound up about a reform lead 4 years from a potential GE. Pointless.

Exactly, how many times 4,3,2,1 year prior to the last election did the polls indicate Labour were not going to win the 2024 election, then they won with a large majority!

maxplanck · 26/01/2025 17:27

People getting all wound up about a reform lead 4 years from a potential GE. Pointless.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:21

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:20

I can tell.

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Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:20

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:19

Oh, did I.

Please see answer above, what is the big deal, I got confused.

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I can tell.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:19

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:14

@Goldenbear it wasn’t my post. You posted twice about Reform in reply to different posters (not me), neither who had mentioned Reform in their posts.

Oh, did I.

Please see answer above, what is the big deal, I got confused.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:17

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 17:13

Again, apologies, I interpreted your comments as a Reform Champion..

You what now?

Labour's budget impact is in that post, any comment on why you see that as good?

I haven't said I'd vote for Reform, others would at a greater rate hence the recent poll shift. Even the most loyal Labour voters can see their support is dropping.. (well maybe not you)

Also your posts are odd you do realise you are responding to two posters

I'm not a Labour voter, there was no pint in my constituency.

I just go the impression you are/were championing their vibe but obviously not.

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:14

@Goldenbear it wasn’t my post. You posted twice about Reform in reply to different posters (not me), neither who had mentioned Reform in their posts.

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 17:13

Again, apologies, I interpreted your comments as a Reform Champion..

You what now?

Labour's budget impact is in that post, any comment on why you see that as good?

I haven't said I'd vote for Reform, others would at a greater rate hence the recent poll shift. Even the most loyal Labour voters can see their support is dropping.. (well maybe not you)

Also your posts are odd you do realise you are responding to two posters

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:10

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:09

What has Reform got to do with this post?

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Hold your horses, no need to post twice, I've just responded to you.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:09

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:08

What has Reform got to do with this post?

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Again, apologies, I interpreted your comments as a Reform Champion..

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:09

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 16:59

Do you really think people who didn't vote for Labour are ex Tory voters centrists, Remain voters are going to be voting for Reform? Seriously?

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What has Reform got to do with this post?

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:08

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 17:08

But the logic doesn't follow that Reform will be the answer to the nation's prayers. Sorry but that is delusionary!

How is that an answer on the economic impact of the budget? I didn't mention Reform in that post.

Oh apologies, I thought you were a Reform Champion!

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:08

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:01

But the logic doesn't follow that Reform will be the answer to the nation's prayers. Sorry but that is delusionary!

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What has Reform got to do with this post?

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 17:08

But the logic doesn't follow that Reform will be the answer to the nation's prayers. Sorry but that is delusionary!

How is that an answer on the economic impact of the budget? I didn't mention Reform in that post.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:01

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 16:37

Private sector firms expect activity to fall in the three months to March (weighted balance of -24%), according to the CBI’s latest Growth Indicator. Expectations are now at their weakest in over two years.

This pessimism was shared across all sub-sectors. Business volumes in the services sector are anticipated to decline (-18%), driven by predicted falls in both business and professional services (-13%) and consumer services (-37%). Distribution sales are expected to fall steeply (-35%), and manufacturers also anticipate output to fall (-31%), with expectations at their weakest since May 2020.
Why is this good exactly?

But the logic doesn't follow that Reform will be the answer to the nation's prayers. Sorry but that is delusionary!

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 16:59

Andwhoisasking · 26/01/2025 10:37

The real tears and emojis will start when the welfare cuts are announced. I mean RR actually doing an exclusive for the red tops - declaring her war in sickness benefits. It’s almost like she knows support is collapsing and people are heading to Reform - she’s literally appealing the main audience.

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Do you really think people who didn't vote for Labour are ex Tory voters centrists, Remain voters are going to be voting for Reform? Seriously?

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 16:37

Private sector firms expect activity to fall in the three months to March (weighted balance of -24%), according to the CBI’s latest Growth Indicator. Expectations are now at their weakest in over two years.

This pessimism was shared across all sub-sectors. Business volumes in the services sector are anticipated to decline (-18%), driven by predicted falls in both business and professional services (-13%) and consumer services (-37%). Distribution sales are expected to fall steeply (-35%), and manufacturers also anticipate output to fall (-31%), with expectations at their weakest since May 2020.
Why is this good exactly?

Ch01c3s · 26/01/2025 16:24

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 26/01/2025 16:10

@EasternStandard Sainsbury's cafe closure is long planned & part of an ongoing cost reduction drive.

Ours which be is one on the list has been empty for years. Barely anybody uses it.

Ch01c3s · 26/01/2025 16:23

pointythings · 26/01/2025 14:40

@EasternStandard I have no idea why you are perceiving my posts as an attack - possibly this says something about your mindset? You can post what you want and where you want.

As for public opinion - if there's one thing you can be sure about, it's that it's a fickle beast. If the economy turns around and people have more money in their pocket and are happier, it will change. Which is why making policy based on popularity, media perceptions and polls is such a bad idea.

This!