To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

Agree with this comparison, and why would you kill enterprise like this, it's madness

@Katypp good questions, someone Labour might answer

You raise a valid point, which I hadn't really appreciated.

I had also thought "we've moved left", and whilst we have a left government, the actually voting was indeed more right.

The local elections in May should be a good indication of which direction we're going.

Back when the Labour party was in opposition it must have been easy to assume that they were the good ones. They were the ones telling the electorate that the Tories had plans to cut the winter fuel allowance and the disastrous consequences that would follow for the elderly, they were the ones stood shoulder to shoulder next to waspi women saying that they supported their claims, they were the ones detailing the damage done to the poor with the two child welfare policies and austerity measures. When people said that they would vote conservative labour supporters would suck air between their teeth and say, 'And what of the vulnerable?'

People who feel betrayed by the Labour Party must feel as equally betrayed by the supporters who apparently think all of this is now fine and that it is the fault of the hoodwinked electorate if they voted labour and believed that things would be different and then it is their fault again for not being more optimistic.

At least with labour in opposition, the vulnerable could at least rely on a discussion or debate that would plead their case whereas with the Tories in opposition they will simply sit on their hands and let Reeves dismantle the welfare state in a way that they never could.

He doesn't..Labour do.

To address the op, the US is experiencing a massive rise in optimism. Trump brings hope and pride for the US. You may not like the way he does things, but there’s a clear commitment and goal - MAGA
And he stands up for Americans, he love America.

Starmer is the polar opposite. He calls half the population right wing bigots, he favours immigrants, he is doom and gloom and hopelessness. Talks down the uk constantly. He totally kills entrepreneurship and enterprise,and of people getting wealthy through achievement and is only concerned with union backed public sector workers and maybe immigrants?

You can’t underestimate the power of optimism and some national pride

Here's a genuine to Labour supporters: At what point will you concede all is not going well?
Because I guarantee, had the Tories still been in power and big names like Sainsbury's and Lakeland were acting as a direct effect of Conservative policy, none if you would bob on to a thread and say it's OK because the cafes were empty anyway or that it's OK because it what needs to happen to stabilise the country. You would be yelping about Tory incompetence.
So why not when it's Labour's doing? Why was Liz Truss's budget so reviled yet RR's OK and us doing as much harm?
And why will no one answer a pp's question about how big job losses are strengthening the economy and promoting growth?

I don't recall winter fuel payments being mentioned, the Labour Party weren't honest campaigning with Waspi women- two examples of not being straight. My point is that like or loath Trump people will think he is following through

True. You can see that in public feedback polls and groups etc

As for Trump's actual ideas they've been polled too and people are keener than not.

Not true. They said there would be hard decisions and if you want to look at governments not being honest- hello all Tory governments the past few years with mahhhhooosive lies- Brexit, partygate, contracts for mates, stopping the boats….

As I said before this is the gig nobody wanted hence everybody in the Tory party scuttling off having done the damage.

Anyhow your mate Trump likes him and thinks he’s doing a great job. 😊 Rock and a hard place comes to mind.

I think people feel so disappointed because Labour weren't honest about things. Winter fuel, inheritance tax, waspi women etc etc therefore people don't trust them and wonder about what they will do now. I think people will be looking at Trump and thinking he promised this snd hat and followed up with action. Even if you don't agree with his policy and actions he is doing what he said unlike Labour.

Thank you 💐

We’ll just let readers of the thread decide for themselves, shall we?

Have the decency to admit it.

Yeah you did; it’s hugely offensive to be honest. As usual.

Oh of course.

The old I was being sarcastic, honest guv! excuse.

Again.

It’s literally not what I said. Is your flippancy detector always so inefficient?

Brilliant - so constructive. Maybe you should go for it, show them how it’s done.

Of course not?

It’s literally what you said.

None of them.
You're welcome.

And we all know how people in the red wall / real world felt about Thatcher.

In your opinion, out of current politicians, who does have the right calibre to be PM? It’s so easy to criticise, so I’m interested to know who you think would be doing a better job. Ta!

Of course not. It worked for the Iron Lady though.

Are you wishing for a war so your favourite politician save his ratings?

That’s rather desperate.

And in bad taste.

Pretty much

Reeves has bet on growth and then stopped it

What the actual? I mean I know Labour fans have form for supporting war and death but wow,

I didn’t comment on anyone’s calibre, I simply answered a question. Maybe Starmer needs a Falklands.