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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 13:26

I don't think it would help the government's popularity if those 20 points had been widely reported.
If you are one of the groups who have been punished by labour, seeing what the government are actually doing may sting a bit. I am happy about the bees, but it doesn't compensate for what they have done to small business to give one example.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:44

I said most of it

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:41

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:38

Most of it is minor stuff, hence why not widely reported

You think this is minor? Seriously?

Last week, the Business and Trade Secretary Jonathan Reynolds announced a £50 million investment deal secured between JATCO, Nissan and the UK Government to build a new manufacturing site in Sunderland. Government officials say it will create and support hundreds of jobs in the North East.

“This is the latest in a series of job-boosting investments to deliver growth as part of our Plan for Change including £14 billion in AI investment, £12 billion in export deals to Iraq and £4 billion from Malaysian YTL creating 30,000 jobs,” a No 10 spokesperson said.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:38

Most of it is minor stuff, hence why not widely reported

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:38

It’s still news, isn’t it? None of which has reached mainstream media.

Katypp · 27/01/2025 12:31

I am well aware there has been lots of change that is not common knowledge, probably because it is either minor or just a continuation of what was already in motion anyway. I don't think banning pesticides, Lisa Nandy's propsals for the culture sector or a Nature Restoration Fund are what most new Labour voters hoped for when they were persuaded to support Sir Keir et al.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:15

Katypp · 27/01/2025 10:38

But it's not happening. Yes, Labour are getting a pasting because they are making a complete hash of a lot of things.
You are completely deluded if you honestly can't remember BJ or Cameron on Truss being criticised in the press
The nonsense that the press are somehow to blame is just a convenient smokescreen to deflect from actually addressing the issues.
As is 'they've only been in power six months'.
Back on election day, many thought there would be changes well before six months, but the goalposts are ever moving. It won't be long before posters are arguing 'but they've only been in power a year', then two, then three
Then it will be 'they can't dismantle 14 years of Tory disasters is five years' and so on.
Excuse after excuse.

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https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing/

Twenty More Government Reforms the Media Hasn't Been Telling You About

You probably won’t have read much about these announcements over the past few weeks

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 11:25

That's the issue with going for the private sector it feeds through to what you can spend

Some can't see it and think shrinking the private sector has no repercussions, well bar loss of jobs which they don't care about, but it does come round to spending

ByMerryKoala · 27/01/2025 11:24

Fine, I guess it'll all be known come the statement on 28th March. Fwiw, I don't think anyone voted for Labour hoping to see cuts to welfare payments. I've been surprised to see people pivot and defend them but that's a different instinct.

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 11:10

ByMerryKoala · 27/01/2025 11:03

Who's hoping that Labour will shit on disabled people @PandoraSox ?

When Starmer is in the Sun saying that the government will be ruthless with cuts (20th Jan) and that it has the balls to cut benefits (17th Jan) maybe you think that it's a tweak but I don't think anybody else is under that impression.

Disability benefits cuts would be 'devastating', Labour warned https://search.app/fK3QXNfmVonVePis6

Edited

We will have to disagree. I can definitely see some posters are really hoping that Labour shit on disabled people. So that they can say "this is what you voted for" and have a good crow about it. I don't think they will give a toss about how devastating it will be. Obviously I will not name names as that would get me deleted or suspended!

I had reservations about voting Labour because of some of the things Liz Kendall said before the election. I will be very pissed off if my reservations are proved right.

Ch01c3s · 27/01/2025 11:06

Xenia · 27/01/2025 10:40

Labout has removed 16k illegals and we have about 600k in London so unless people start to see a much bigger shift and are listened to I don't think Labour will win the next election.

Well the Tories don’t do so hot in that area did they and they had 14 years as opposed to a few months to be judged. They also pretty much had immigration as their only policy and relied on an expensive vanity project and sound bites to sort it which failed massively so let’s maybe wait a while. 😊

ByMerryKoala · 27/01/2025 11:03

Who's hoping that Labour will shit on disabled people @PandoraSox ?

When Starmer is in the Sun saying that the government will be ruthless with cuts (20th Jan) and that it has the balls to cut benefits (17th Jan) maybe you think that it's a tweak but I don't think anybody else is under that impression.

Disability benefits cuts would be 'devastating', Labour warned https://search.app/fK3QXNfmVonVePis6

https://search.app/fK3QXNfmVonVePis6

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 11:00

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 10:53

Yes I think ESA too although could be quite wrong as she hasn’t said.

I think the rules may change for new claimants and the extra money awarded to those in the support group might be phased out. Which would be a really bad decision. But we will see.

What I don't think will happen is that existing claimants will have benefits taken away. But again, we will see.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 10:55

But that’s the thing, isn’t it? Everyone is guessing. It might be sensible to wait for a concrete proposal before we all get incensed.

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:54

Katypp · 27/01/2025 10:47

I must say I do find it distasteful that some people seem to be hoping for Labour to shit on disabled people, just so they can crow about how terrible the government is.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. But if we are mudflinging, I could say there are plenty of posters on other threads rubbing their hands together about children being removed from their schools and family farms being decimated. But I suppose they are 'The Rich' so they don't count, obviously.

It really isn't a stretch. Plus plenty of posters on MN see the disabled as scroungers, anyway. So the concern is faux.

I personally haven't rubbed my hands with glee at any of the cuts Labour has made so far. In fact I think the WFA decision was bad and I am a bit on the fence with the farmer's IHT. I think there will be changes there.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 10:53

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:43

Thanks. Will look out for that.

My guess is that ESA may change. They may tinker round the edges with PIP but it would be hard to make significant changes as the DLA to PIP roll out still hasn't finished.

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Yes I think ESA too although could be quite wrong as she hasn’t said.

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:49

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/01/2025 10:47

Well, some posters wish for a new Falklands to help with Labour’s ratings .

Not exactly in good taste now, is that?

It was clear what that poster meant. Well it was to me.

Katypp · 27/01/2025 10:47

I must say I do find it distasteful that some people seem to be hoping for Labour to shit on disabled people, just so they can crow about how terrible the government is.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. But if we are mudflinging, I could say there are plenty of posters on other threads rubbing their hands together about children being removed from their schools and family farms being decimated. But I suppose they are 'The Rich' so they don't count, obviously.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/01/2025 10:47

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:42

No. I have read it and concluded that the government will consult on proposed changes and cuts.

I am with @blossomtoes. I will be the first to protest against any cuts to disability benefits and I think a lot of Labour's own backbenchers would too. Osborne found out the hard way that there are lines that can't be crossed when it comes to this issue.

I must say I do find it distasteful that some people seem to be hoping for Labour to shit on disabled people, just so they can crow about how terrible the government is.

Well, some posters wish for a new Falklands to help with Labour’s ratings .

Not exactly in good taste now, is that?

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:43

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 10:31

Rachel Reeves said at weekend there would be detailed plans “next week”, ahead of the green paper.

Thanks. Will look out for that.

My guess is that ESA may change. They may tinker round the edges with PIP but it would be hard to make significant changes as the DLA to PIP roll out still hasn't finished.

Sherbs12 · 27/01/2025 10:43

hamstersarse · 27/01/2025 07:58

To address the op, the US is experiencing a massive rise in optimism. Trump brings hope and pride for the US. You may not like the way he does things, but there’s a clear commitment and goal - MAGA
And he stands up for Americans, he love America.

Starmer is the polar opposite. He calls half the population right wing bigots, he favours immigrants, he is doom and gloom and hopelessness. Talks down the uk constantly. He totally kills entrepreneurship and enterprise,and of people getting wealthy through achievement and is only concerned with union backed public sector workers and maybe immigrants?

You can’t underestimate the power of optimism and some national pride

When exactly did Starmer call ‘half the population right wing bigots’…?

PandoraSox · 27/01/2025 10:42

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 10:31

Have you read that article and come to the conclusion that there won't be any cuts to benefits?
It screams the opposite to me.

No. I have read it and concluded that the government will consult on proposed changes and cuts.

I am with @blossomtoes. I will be the first to protest against any cuts to disability benefits and I think a lot of Labour's own backbenchers would too. Osborne found out the hard way that there are lines that can't be crossed when it comes to this issue.

I must say I do find it distasteful that some people seem to be hoping for Labour to shit on disabled people, just so they can crow about how terrible the government is.

Xenia · 27/01/2025 10:40

Labout has removed 16k illegals and we have about 600k in London so unless people start to see a much bigger shift and are listened to I don't think Labour will win the next election.

Katypp · 27/01/2025 10:38

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 09:49

We’ll put it to bed when it stops.

But it's not happening. Yes, Labour are getting a pasting because they are making a complete hash of a lot of things.
You are completely deluded if you honestly can't remember BJ or Cameron on Truss being criticised in the press
The nonsense that the press are somehow to blame is just a convenient smokescreen to deflect from actually addressing the issues.
As is 'they've only been in power six months'.
Back on election day, many thought there would be changes well before six months, but the goalposts are ever moving. It won't be long before posters are arguing 'but they've only been in power a year', then two, then three
Then it will be 'they can't dismantle 14 years of Tory disasters is five years' and so on.
Excuse after excuse.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 10:31

Rachel Reeves said at weekend there would be detailed plans “next week”, ahead of the green paper.