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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 14:21

Why not just start another petition demanding a general election, it went so well last time....

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 14:21

TheNoonBell · 22/01/2025 14:12

Could resign, could be pushed, could be dragged out in chains by US Marines.

Let's see.

Showing your true colours now ( and that’s colour NOT color) .

Billydavey · 22/01/2025 14:20

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It’s basic

start now with all the posts using phrases like “hanging on” or “can’t survive”. Build up the association with those phrases over time. You don’t have to post anything of substance or even truthful, just keep banging the posts in with the bingo phrase…

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 14:19

User09678 · 22/01/2025 14:14

How DARE you lie about things I've said to try and smear me - I challenge you to find where I said any such thing. I made clear that I meant those who posted on social media expressing their discomfort about migration levels have been jailed for dissidence when hundreds walk free after trying to incite violence and threatening GC woman with death and rape. I made clear that I was not referring to anyone who had been violence or called for violence and that I abhor violence.

DO NOT spread misinformation about what I have said.

I made clear that I meant those who posted on social media expressing their discomfort about migration levels have been jailed for dissidence

No you did not make that clear when you talked about political dissidents. If you think I have smeared you report to MNHQ and they will remove the offending post if they agree. I seem to have touched a nerve.

To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?
Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2025 14:18

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/01/2025 14:18

Anyway Starmer isn't going anywhere or changing tack in the near future, because there's simply no need for him to do so. He has a huge parliamentary majority and the opposition remains fractured. Though I suspect he may stand down about a year or so before the next general election.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/01/2025 14:17

What a weird thread. The US President doesn't get to select the UK Prime Minister, any more than we get any say in who becomes US president. Starmer has a large parliamentary majority so I don't think he is going anywhere for the time being.

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 14:17

IcedChristmasTrees · 22/01/2025 14:05

They don't like name calling if it's from the other side, totally fine though when it's someone they oppose. 🙄

Apparently so. And always with the ‘bot’ accusation at the op within a couple of posts.

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2025 14:17

IcedChristmasTrees · 22/01/2025 14:12

I do think Trump is sexist and maybe not the most moral person, I don't disagree with all of his views though he is right on some things.
Starmer is a weak leader and just more of the same.. I honestly don't see a difference between the tories and Labour at this point. He made a right cock up in his response to the Southport shootings.
That's my opinion really I don't have a problem..

He dealt very well with the Southport murders, no gun was used, so i assume you re yet another "bad actor"

No one from the UK would make that mistake.

Billydavey · 22/01/2025 14:16

User09678 · 22/01/2025 14:14

How DARE you lie about things I've said to try and smear me - I challenge you to find where I said any such thing. I made clear that I meant those who posted on social media expressing their discomfort about migration levels have been jailed for dissidence when hundreds walk free after trying to incite violence and threatening GC woman with death and rape. I made clear that I was not referring to anyone who had been violence or called for violence and that I abhor violence.

DO NOT spread misinformation about what I have said.

No one has been jailed for posting discomfort!

you care about misinformation, don’t post it yourself

trivialMorning · 22/01/2025 14:16

He got 4 and half years and a massive majority in parliament. A week can be a long time in politics.

Tory are still main opposition party - and they are in disarray really still - and other parties aren't having huge media interest at minute. The pollsters think at moment - it all over the place a snap election would likely by a collation government but time can and will hugely impact that.

I wouldn't say Starmer's* *doing great - but there are lots of built up problems no-one really got great plans to deal with.

UK tends to be more on left than USA based policies and while some Trump polices may be agreed with doesn't mean everything he does will be - and frankly while we may all speak English thus share a language our politics and culture do differ hugely and that's not always well understood.

randomchap · 22/01/2025 14:16

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/01/2025 14:10

Thé majority of the responses on this thread show why Kamala lost.

No, Kamala lost as she was a late replacement for Joe Biden, a man who was struggling with his age.

The US economy has been through a period of high inflation and the last government to the blame for that.

The more cynical part of me thinks that Trump won a he realised a significant part of the US electorate are racist morons who are happy to blame immigration for all of the countries ills. He then pandered to them. A unprincipled wanker who just desires power.

theresnolimits · 22/01/2025 14:15

I think people are so used to the Tories changing leaders, they think it’s a given.

Starmer has a mandate for 5 years. Let’s wait more than six months to see what he makes of it.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/01/2025 14:15

I think most people in most west democracies have realised that left and right are just different colours of shit and on a day-to-day basis neither make much difference to how most people live. For years, all politician of all hues have been promising the earth and none of them have delivered. No one has any new vision, new hope, or new ideas. We're all just going to trundle on forever until capitalism completely collapses, or we all drown under rising sea levels, or we get wiped out by an asteroid like the dinosaurs - all possibly all three.

User09678 · 22/01/2025 14:14

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 13:41

If you are a bot, you should be ignored.

If you think that the rioters and arsonists who used the Southport atrocities as an excuse to vent their hatred are "political dissidents", you should be ignored.

How DARE you lie about things I've said to try and smear me - I challenge you to find where I said any such thing. I made clear that I meant those who posted on social media expressing their discomfort about migration levels have been jailed for dissidence when hundreds walk free after trying to incite violence and threatening GC woman with death and rape. I made clear that I was not referring to anyone who had been violence or called for violence and that I abhor violence.

DO NOT spread misinformation about what I have said.

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Billydavey · 22/01/2025 14:14

IcedChristmasTrees · 22/01/2025 14:12

I do think Trump is sexist and maybe not the most moral person, I don't disagree with all of his views though he is right on some things.
Starmer is a weak leader and just more of the same.. I honestly don't see a difference between the tories and Labour at this point. He made a right cock up in his response to the Southport shootings.
That's my opinion really I don't have a problem..

Those that don’t see a difference are either not paying attention, or don’t want to see

its hugely different to the previous government

TheNoonBell · 22/01/2025 14:14

randomchap · 22/01/2025 14:02

Well, that's just your bubble.

What he's doing is front loading the unpopular policies now, so that by the time the election comes around he's got a couple of years of pushing more popular ones.

Polls are almost entirely meaningless this far out from a GE

That bubble is called the countryside. People are really very unhappy about Labour's dekulakisation.

allyjay · 22/01/2025 14:13

God who remembers that thread way back in the summer that said the right wing were better losers than the left? 😂 Well these endless, endless threads about Starmer and Labour sure would suggest otherwise

IcedChristmasTrees · 22/01/2025 14:12

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2025 14:07

They are British, as is Badenoch, hence no name calling, Trump isn't, we can call him what we like....

My Grandad in WW2 had lots of names for the Septic tanks.... and they threw plenty back in return....

Your problem is??

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I do think Trump is sexist and maybe not the most moral person, I don't disagree with all of his views though he is right on some things.
Starmer is a weak leader and just more of the same.. I honestly don't see a difference between the tories and Labour at this point. He made a right cock up in his response to the Southport shootings.
That's my opinion really I don't have a problem..

TheNoonBell · 22/01/2025 14:12

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 14:01

So how will he be got rid of? Genuine question.

Could resign, could be pushed, could be dragged out in chains by US Marines.

Let's see.

2dogsandabudgie · 22/01/2025 14:12

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2025 14:07

They are British, as is Badenoch, hence no name calling, Trump isn't, we can call him what we like....

My Grandad in WW2 had lots of names for the Septic tanks.... and they threw plenty back in return....

Your problem is??

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That isn't true is it about not calling British MPs names. Nice try though.

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2025 14:12

User09678 · 22/01/2025 14:06

I don't. But we've always had a "special" relationship with the US I don't see the two of them working particularly well together

No we haven't, we've just done what they wanted... Iraq war for starters, they were dead against us defending the Falklands too.

When it came to contracts for rebuilding Iraq, the French got the lions share of ones given to European countries, UK missed out.

They fucked us over Afghanistan too.

Oh and took over 2 years to help us out in WW2.

ByMerryKoala · 22/01/2025 14:12

randomchap · 22/01/2025 14:02

Well, that's just your bubble.

What he's doing is front loading the unpopular policies now, so that by the time the election comes around he's got a couple of years of pushing more popular ones.

Polls are almost entirely meaningless this far out from a GE

😁 Right

I guess he had his fingers crossed that the pound would tank, the cost of borrowing would rise, that the treasury would borrow more than four billion extra than the extra detailed in the autumn budget, that there'll need to have a spring budget to do another round of tax rises and that welfare cuts would have to go harder and deeper than they imagined, that the party would have to u-turn on grooming gang national inquiries because they labelled the 77% of the population who considered it a necessity as far right, that his corruptions minister would be corrupt, that his foreign minister doesn't know where Lybia is, that Louise Haigh would have to resign, that everyone would know that he is too cheap to pay for his own clothes, how very clever.

So, now we've got the shit out of the way, when do you think we'll see the good stuff?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/01/2025 14:10

Thé majority of the responses on this thread show why Kamala lost.

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 14:10

User09678 · 22/01/2025 14:08

He might decide to step back and focus on his family life

Why would he do that? Who do you think would replace him?

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