To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

@HRTQueen I disagree, there won't be a leadership challenge anytime soon unless something really catastrophic happens. But Labour needs to work on its comms and fast.

As for Wes Streeting...there is something off about him IMHO. I don't think he will ever be leader.

Of course he has. Perhaps not directly, but indirectly he could make life very difficult for Starmer and therefore the UK.

Obviously because his policies can affect our economically and socially.

'Vibe shift' makes the slide towards a fascist dictatorship sound fun and funky.

The issue Starmer has is that he does not connect with the public. Blair did, Corbyn had a large cult like following. So whatever he says, and this isn’t helping with the right wing media but that is always the case for Labour, is that he doesn’t connect with people. Also hasn’t helped that he has taken the stance of I have to make hard decisions and there are no negotiations

Starmer is intelligent, a strong leader as seen by his purge of the left of the party. certainly capable of dealing with international negotiations at a high level but he just isn’t good at the game of politics. It isn’t just about charisms it’s about being able to play with words. Sometimes he is just to honest and when he isn’t being so upfront he ain’t in anyway apologising for back tracking (Blair was very good at this)

many of his supporters (myself included though disappointed with some decisions he has made) will say personality doesn’t matter but in politics especially in the world of so much reporting it does

Unless there is sudden turn in the economy and his popularity I think there is likely to be a leadership challenge. Having a huge majority is great to get things through parliament but a headache to manage. I think it’s likely to be Angela Rayner (she had been pushed to the sidelines) or Wes Streeting who is certainly working on his leadership qualities

But Biden hated us so wasn't any better.

He may not be perfect, but he's not a bullyboy fascist/fascist sympathizer (and I don't use those terms lightly). "Vibe shift" makes what's happening in the US sound far more benign than it is,.

Nobody sensible thinks Labour's mistakes are the fault of the right wing media. It's about how the mistakes are reported in comparison with the mistakes of the Conservatives, how energetically the journalists dig for dirt, how much space is allocated to stories, choice of photography.

Labour aren't perfect, but neither were the Conservatives while in Government, and in comparison to the (ridiculous and disproportionate) slamming Labour get every day in the press, they were fawned all over.

Imagine the response if Keir dumped his wife while she was suffering with cancer for a younger woman. It was totally AOK when Johnson did it though.

I agree with what Louise Haigh said anyway. P&O are an absolute disgrace.

Of course not. Labour has made mistakes. It will make more mistakes.

Show me a government that hasn't.

But OP and posters like them are endlessly starting threads about Starmer being brought down and/or hinting at various conspiracy theories.

Similarly, the way the right wing press presents stories is very skewed. Everything is crowed over as a catastrophe or a cover up.

You can't possibly blame the media for all the mistakes Labour have made? What about the freebies? Tulip Siddiq? Louise Haigh? Are they the 'right wing' media's fault too?

We have about another 4 years of the current Government who have a massive majority so I think, barring some sort of mass death/huge scandal that prompts 100s of by-elections, labour will 'hang on' just fine. In 4 years time world politics is likely to look very different from today and who knows where that will go. I really hope we don't have electoral interference from Musk et al. Facebook already have a dodgy track record via the Cambridge Analytica scandal. I'm interested to see if there's going to be a big shift away from social media.

The electoral systems of European counties mean that coalition governments are far more likely which is why extremist parties can end up with a decent smattering of seats - they are designed to stop one party from being dominant as happened in the lead up to the second world war. It's also a reason, somewhat that against the grain, Reform have aligned with the Greens and Lib Dems in wanting a different electoral system. Sadly with Musk's love of a good neo nazi party I am worried about the rise of the BNP or variations of.

Exactly right!

Gosh Max, I am glad you are here to give us the inside track on current affairs. Who needs newspapers and journals when Max is here to tell us the truth. I feel much better now that someone who really knows the Trump administration has chimed in. I guess that second helping of chicken meant something after all.

It's mysteriously as if the right wing media (80% owned by Conservative party donors) doesn't like the Labour government and is doing everything in its power to make them seem unpopular.

I just cannot take nonsense like this seriously.

In my opinion, the main impact of Trump on UK politics is likely to be empowering the right (Reform, those who sympathise with Reform, and those who are shifting in that direction) to be more vocal. In just two days in power, Trump has shown that it is easy to withdraw from international organisations and agreements (World Health Organisation, Paris Climate Accord), give orders to deport illegal immigrants, cancel DEI initiatives in government departments, declare that everyone is either male or female, and start initiatives to cut public spending.

However, it's very early days. Trump and Musk will fall out sooner or later. Protectionism will increase prices and fuel inflation. There will be skills shortages as illegal migrants are held where we don't yet know. Women will suffer health issues and give birth to babies created through rape because of the lack of availability of abortions.

So it's good news and bad news for the right in the UK but will have absolutely no impact on Sir Keir until 2029, as previous posters have said.

Trump is a massive prick and the USA going collectively mad should not impact on UK politics. Starmer is fine. But there are people on here and in the right wing media just endlessly trying to flog the message that he's in trouble. It's actually really boring.

I think some people just spend a disproportionate amount of time on Twitter, or whatever it's called now.

Are you implying that Trump has some kind of power to get rid of Starmer?

Yes, the OPs post is rather bemusing.

Might pee you off a bit but both Starmer and Lammy have met Trump and apparently got on like a house on fire. Contrary to the UK media there is no issue with Peter Mandelson going to the US either. It’s all fluff designed to create the impression that UK is in a sticky position with the Trump administration. Why native Brits would be almost willing for there to be an issue, slavering at the idea that a democratically elected UK government be toppled, god only knows.

👏👏👏👏@Tittat50 absolutely spot on. So many red herrings! I am so glad you have said this. I have been thinking exactly the same. The news reporting has been incredibly frustrating. This perpetrator should have been sectioned and held in a secure hospital long before he ever got to the stage of being able to commit the horrific crimes in Southport that he did. It should have been patently obvious to any rational person that he was well on the path to committing an atrocity for a long time.

The president of the united states does not get to choose who we have as leader. you DO NOT run our country. It's none of your business, so unkindly piss off.