To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

MNHQ don't always get it right though. One poster got to three threads before they were banned, despite lots of people reporting.

Mnhq have said don’t hunt on the threads so if you’re reporting and the posts are staying it looks like it was an incorrect judgement

From the poster that is

Long before my time!

@AnonymousBleep yes, I stand corrected. I think it is more centrist.

Biggest movements in polls

Con -> Reform 3.5%
Lab -> Reform 2.3%
Lab -> Green 1.9%
Lab -> Lib Dem 1.5%
Lab -> Con 1.1%
Lib Dem -> Reform 0.8%

I don't think that's true at all. Any of the numerous posts about private schools, inheritance tax changes etc show that there's a large right wing element on here. I actually think it's pretty evenly split, politically. If anything, it's fairly centrist, reflecting the general UK population.

It pretty much was in 2009. There were a few outliers but actually it was mostly left leaning, back when that spoke more to an economic model and not identity navel gazing.

It's certainly been a left wing echo chamber since Trump was elected, it reminds me of our NHS staff room at the height of the gender nonsense.

The Conservatives are struggling with their members defecting to Reform. It's an ongoing process. That's why Badenoch is doing the whole move to the right thing (a tactical mistake in my opinion, but I don't vote Tory so no skin off my nose).

Power speaks to Power, wait till Trump needs something from the UK, and he will. He'll speak to Starmer not the MP for Clacton

If it was the disillusioned Tory right who gave reform the voting share of 19% at the election, who do you think has continued to bulk up that figure to 24% today - even while Badenoch has signalled a retreat to the right for the Conservative party?

MN has never been a (eta:totally) left wing echo chamber.

People posting right wing views is fine, of course it is. People promoting hate and conspiracy theories is not. And there has been a lot of the latter recently. Often in the guise of faux concern or innocence.

I don't think OP is a "you know what", for the record. But they have obviously recently name changed.

I think it is time MNHQ banned name changing except for boards like the relationship boards and others where posters need to be anonymous to be safe.

I agree with you. Mumsnet does seem to be a middle class, centre to left platform. Right wing views are not really seen. Does there need to be more balance? Yes. What isn’t needed is people (not allowed to say the b o t word), signing up with an agenda, causing trouble, then leaving. That’s what happened with Twitter and it totally ruined it. Genuine posters tend to post on lots of different topics, just not politics.

And this

I don't. It's not a right wing shift when people on the right of the Tories (mainly older white men, as demographics clearly show) shift their vote to Reform. Those people were already hard right. The demographic has not changed in any significant way, only the parties.

Labour did benefit from the collapse of the Tory vote but it wasn't just hard right Tory voters moving to Reform (who, with respect, are a dying breed). As you say, some moved to the Lib Dems or even the Greens, neither of whom can be described as 'right wing.' As more and more people move into the cities, the vote moves to the left. The UK has always been a centrist country but the apparent shift to the right is an artificial one, amplified by a minority of extremely loud voices and the entire right wing press (who, again, have an older audience).

Mnhq will know more about posters due to access to posting history

I agree with pp on hearing different views

My personal opinion is that MN has been a total echo chamber for left/labour supporters up until quite recently. It's refreshing to see that change. Every thread that is even slightly critical of labour is met with bot accusations, or Hi Nige, tory hq etc within the first page of comments. If you want a left wing echo chamber, try bluesky.

I accept we all have different political leanings. Mumsnet has always been a great way to hear different opinions. What i find sad, is that like Twitter, more and more posters do not seem genuine. It’s ruining what was once a great platform.

But DEI is not only about training. And it's not only about the LGBT.

A part of it is making sure employee's with disabilities have the adjustments they need to work with dignity. Personally, that's a big loss in my book. Especially bad considering many of the horrific conditions the US job sector has including at will dismissal, revoltingly low or totally absent sick leave and healthcare coverage being limited to what insurance decide to fund.

And the training? It's about trying to stop toxic atmospheres where people have historically been allowed to be bullied due to being either gay, POC or disabled.

@RedToothBrush

EDI is so much broader though than training courses. While there may have been overreach in somw areas broader diversity projects at their best reduce barieers to employment benefiting wider society. Some people need reasonable adjustments. I think the pendulum will swing too far and groups like disabled people, carers and those with long term health conditions will find it harder to get jobs or stay working. I hope I am wrong.

@PipMumsnet So what is Mumsnet going to do about the trolls? Reporting them doesn’t seem to do anything. They are fairly easy to spot, for those of us who have been on this forum for years.

The final image showed a group of men, again Asian in appearance, wielding knives in front of the Palace of Westminster. There was also a crying white child in a Union flag T-shirt. This was also captioned, said Mr Shelley, with the wording: “Coming to a town near you

That isn't posting "discomfort" about immigration. That's posting hate.

You described these two as political dissidents, so perhaps you don't mind people posting hate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

Meant to quote pp so edited.

I fully expect Starmer to be replaced with whoever Musks chooses at the next general election

You’re better off reading the post from mnhq

Troll / bot hunting will get people deleted or more