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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:38

hattie43 · 22/01/2025 17:34

This government is corrupt . Everything they vilified the tories for they've done and as for their handling of the rape gangs and this demonic axel killer , beyond words . They need to go .

What do you mean about the handling of the Rudakubana case? What did this government do wrong?

hattie43 · 22/01/2025 17:34

This government is corrupt . Everything they vilified the tories for they've done and as for their handling of the rape gangs and this demonic axel killer , beyond words . They need to go .

TunipTheVegimal24 · 22/01/2025 17:33

I think Starmer is bloody brilliant.

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:32

Alwaystired94 · 22/01/2025 17:14

but those aren't the only 2 options? "Labour echo chamber" vs blatant misinformation?

Twitter originally had a great mix of opinions and views before it went downhill.

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Report as you wish if you see misinformation and mnhq can decide

If people are being deleted, suspended or banned due to some troll / bot hunting posts on this thread then that’s their call

TheNuthatch · 22/01/2025 17:31

SamanthaJayneFrances · 22/01/2025 17:19

And I am not a bot or Tory HQ. I dont understand why people throw those comments around. In real life I struggle to find people who like Labour, so surely non-leftwingers will comment especially during hard times like this.

Yes same for me, and I live in a labour stronghold! Nobody I know likes this government, including my leftie DH!

Berga · 22/01/2025 17:29

So is AI/Bot questioning the same as troll hunting? Wondering as my post got deleted and I was referred to Talk guidelines but can't see anything there are AI/Bots.

Fine if it is, just want to know where I stand on potentially interacting with AI/Bots on Mumsnet.

HawkTUAHspitonthatthing · 22/01/2025 17:20

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 17:05

You and I have very different definitions of vile prick.

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Thats nice

SamanthaJayneFrances · 22/01/2025 17:19

And I am not a bot or Tory HQ. I dont understand why people throw those comments around. In real life I struggle to find people who like Labour, so surely non-leftwingers will comment especially during hard times like this.

Alwaystired94 · 22/01/2025 17:16

SamanthaJayneFrances · 22/01/2025 17:15

I didn't vote for Sir Keir Starmer but I am waiting to see if he can do something good for the country, something positive. Not convinced yet. The Tories lost the election as they flip flopped all over the place and were punished for it. If Reform offer good policies, apart from immigration, at the next election, they will win. Labour will not win. The Tories, I think, will do better than people realise especially if they have a new leader.

Trump gave a feel good feeling to Americans. America first yay. 2 sexes yay. Crack down on illegal aliens yay. Boost to the American economy yay...and so on.

What did we get? Doom and gloom. A kick in the goolies to our pensioners and small business while appeasing the unions and monetising train drivers.

Now Labour are opening up the hotels again for asylum seekers. The ones they chastised the Tories using.

" Boost to the American economy"

ok lets see how that goes then due to his 'policies putting America first" .

Doom and Gloom or realistic? I'd rather be told the uncomfortable truth than sold a comfortable lie personally!

wholettheturnipsburn · 22/01/2025 17:16

Starmer is at the start of a difficult journey.

Most people
I know think he's doing just fine and broadly support his policies

Equally most people I know think the orange cunt is a monster and don't GAF about what he thinks.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:16

The reality of the situation is, the US will most likely have a new President before we have a new Prime Minister.
If the systems work as they were designed.

SamanthaJayneFrances · 22/01/2025 17:15

I didn't vote for Sir Keir Starmer but I am waiting to see if he can do something good for the country, something positive. Not convinced yet. The Tories lost the election as they flip flopped all over the place and were punished for it. If Reform offer good policies, apart from immigration, at the next election, they will win. Labour will not win. The Tories, I think, will do better than people realise especially if they have a new leader.

Trump gave a feel good feeling to Americans. America first yay. 2 sexes yay. Crack down on illegal aliens yay. Boost to the American economy yay...and so on.

What did we get? Doom and gloom. A kick in the goolies to our pensioners and small business while appeasing the unions and monetising train drivers.

Now Labour are opening up the hotels again for asylum seekers. The ones they chastised the Tories using.

Alwaystired94 · 22/01/2025 17:14

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:11

I’m fine with it moving on from a Labour echo chamber tbh where every non Labour post is responded to as bot or similar

I find it tedious and yes I’ve been here for years. I’m glad mnhq are finally deleting and suspending as it ruins the site

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but those aren't the only 2 options? "Labour echo chamber" vs blatant misinformation?

Twitter originally had a great mix of opinions and views before it went downhill.

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:14

@EasternStandard but all you ever post on is political posts? Mumsnet, the clue is in the name.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:12

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:03

MNHQ don't always get it right though. One poster got to three threads before they were banned, despite lots of people reporting.

I remember the angry American man, who seemed to be using Grok to write his longer posts. He got quite threatening and very into Advanced Searching.

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:11

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:09

Perhaps you should re-read my comments. What I don’t want is a platform that is a million miles away from what it started as. Twitter was totally ruined by misinformation. I’d hate to see Mumsnet go that way

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I’m fine with it moving on from a Labour echo chamber tbh where every non Labour post is responded to as bot or similar

I find it tedious and yes I’ve been here for years. I’m glad mnhq are finally deleting and suspending as it ruins the site

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:09

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:06

Up to you whether you want a closed off site that reflects your views alone or this one, nothing is compulsory

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Perhaps you should re-read my comments. What I don’t want is a platform that is a million miles away from what it started as. Twitter was totally ruined by misinformation. I’d hate to see Mumsnet go that way

Alwaystired94 · 22/01/2025 17:07

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:06

Up to you whether you want a closed off site that reflects your views alone or this one, nothing is compulsory

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i don't want a site that reflects my views alone, there are many posters who are very genuine with polar opposite views to myself that i interact with or witness across multiple threads.

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:06

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:03

@EasternStandard not sure I agree with that. Sometimes things are left up because they are creating a lot of traffic. Mumsnet is a business, after all.

Up to you whether you want a closed off site that reflects your views alone or this one, nothing is compulsory

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:06

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:04

Well do as you want but keep using bot on threads and see if mnhq do anything

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I haven't called anyone a bot on this thread. That's what MNHQ don't like.

Eta:I think that we are allowed to acknowledge bots exist on MN? As they do on all social media. It is not against the Talk guidelines to say that, is it?

I guess I will find out!

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 17:05

HawkTUAHspitonthatthing · 22/01/2025 15:30

starmer is a vile prick

You and I have very different definitions of vile prick.

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 17:04

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:03

MNHQ don't always get it right though. One poster got to three threads before they were banned, despite lots of people reporting.

Well do as you want but keep using bot on threads and see if mnhq do anything

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:04

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:03

@EasternStandard not sure I agree with that. Sometimes things are left up because they are creating a lot of traffic. Mumsnet is a business, after all.

Absolutely.

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 17:04

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 16:58

@AnonymousBleep yes, I stand corrected. I think it is more centrist.

Agree about your comment about genuine posters posting on lots of topics too, rather than just politics.

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:03

@EasternStandard not sure I agree with that. Sometimes things are left up because they are creating a lot of traffic. Mumsnet is a business, after all.