Page 15 | To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

User09678 · 2025-01-22T12:25:41+00:00

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/01/2025 18:43

May I remind people of this thread. Hindsight seems to have disproved it.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5113163-why-conservative-voters-handle-election-outcomes-better-than-labour-voters

Why conservative voters handle election outcomes better than Labour voters | Mumsnet

It's been 14 years since Labour and Remainers have won a large vote, but you wouldn't know it. Every panel show seems determined to tell Con...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5113163-why-conservative-voters-handle-election-outcomes-better-than-labour-voters

Billydavey · 22/01/2025 18:32

Interesting how calling out behaviour that is akin to a bot isn’t allowed, but calling someone a vile prick seems to be perfectly ok.

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 18:21

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 18:10

Kemi Badenoch gave a key note speech the other week, are people not interested anymore in the direction she is guiding the party?

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The problem the Tories have is that even their own members are losing interest and defecting to Reform. I'd be surprised if Kemi is still leader by the next GE.

TheNuthatch · 22/01/2025 18:13

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 18:10

Kemi Badenoch gave a key note speech the other week, are people not interested anymore in the direction she is guiding the party?

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No not really

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 18:10

TheNuthatch · 22/01/2025 18:03

Why would there be? They are not in government.

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Kemi Badenoch gave a key note speech the other week, are people not interested anymore in the direction she is guiding the party?

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 18:07

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 18:06

For starters, there was no budget until October so there can't have been cuts to the NHS and local councils.

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None of what that poster claims is remotely true. So are they nuts, or are they deliberately posting absolute bollocks to try and create anti-Labour sentiment?

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 18:06

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 18:04

Maybe they are. They just live on a different planet to the rest of us. That post is literally INSANE.

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For starters, there was no budget until October so there can't have been cuts to the NHS and local councils.

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 18:06

SamanthaJayneFrances · 22/01/2025 17:15

I didn't vote for Sir Keir Starmer but I am waiting to see if he can do something good for the country, something positive. Not convinced yet. The Tories lost the election as they flip flopped all over the place and were punished for it. If Reform offer good policies, apart from immigration, at the next election, they will win. Labour will not win. The Tories, I think, will do better than people realise especially if they have a new leader.

Trump gave a feel good feeling to Americans. America first yay. 2 sexes yay. Crack down on illegal aliens yay. Boost to the American economy yay...and so on.

What did we get? Doom and gloom. A kick in the goolies to our pensioners and small business while appeasing the unions and monetising train drivers.

Now Labour are opening up the hotels again for asylum seekers. The ones they chastised the Tories using.

Lol at Trump giving a 'good feeling' to Americans. Some of them, maybe. Large numbers of them, including the entire LGBT community, are crapping themselves.

AnonymousBleep · 22/01/2025 18:04

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 18:00

Are you being serious?

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Maybe they are. They just live on a different planet to the rest of us. That post is literally INSANE.

TheNuthatch · 22/01/2025 18:03

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 17:58

Not many posts about Badenoch or the Conservative Party lately

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Why would there be? They are not in government.

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 18:02

Anniedash · 22/01/2025 17:58

Hopefully we manage to get rid of this corrupt, incompetent labour government sooner than 5 years. Before they destroy what’s left of the country and economy.

Did you sign the petition asking for a General Election?

How did that go?

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 18:01

@Anniedash this was covered earlier. You just can’t get rid of a democratically elected government. A previous post even suggested a US marine could take Starmer out. 🙄

TheNuthatch · 22/01/2025 18:00

I wish MN would also ban Tory voter hunting 🙄

IdaGlossop · 22/01/2025 18:00

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:44

In the 25 days between the election and stabbing, everything they did everything wrong.

They defunded the NHS and mental health teams.
Cut funding to local councils by about two thirds.
Fueled hatred and ... ..changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

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Are you being serious?

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 17:58

itsgettingweird · 22/01/2025 17:56

Seriously - it's Starmer you're accusing of getting it wrong every time he opens his mouth.

Have you heard Badenoch and Farage speak lately?
Or any of their MPs for that matter?

The only difference between them and Starmer is they are as idiotic as Trump and will happily spew stupid untrue comments knowing the electorate are generally too stupid to realise it's bollocks!

Not many posts about Badenoch or the Conservative Party lately

Anniedash · 22/01/2025 17:58

Hopefully we manage to get rid of this corrupt, incompetent labour government sooner than 5 years. Before they destroy what’s left of the country and economy.

itsgettingweird · 22/01/2025 17:56

Seriously - it's Starmer you're accusing of getting it wrong every time he opens his mouth.

Have you heard Badenoch and Farage speak lately?
Or any of their MPs for that matter?

The only difference between them and Starmer is they are as idiotic as Trump and will happily spew stupid untrue comments knowing the electorate are generally too stupid to realise it's bollocks!

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/01/2025 17:54

@HappyNewFeckingYear
changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

Without wishing to sound rude. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word competent.

HawkTUAHspitonthatthing · 22/01/2025 17:50

TunipTheVegimal24 · 22/01/2025 17:33

I think Starmer is bloody brilliant.

Im actually laughing so hard at this comment.

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2025 17:48

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:44

In the 25 days between the election and stabbing, everything they did everything wrong.

They defunded the NHS and mental health teams.
Cut funding to local councils by about two thirds.
Fueled hatred and ... ..changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

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Starmer changed from a fence sitting wet wipe into a full blown dictator in that time too.....

letsallchant · 22/01/2025 17:47

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:44

In the 25 days between the election and stabbing, everything they did everything wrong.

They defunded the NHS and mental health teams.
Cut funding to local councils by about two thirds.
Fueled hatred and ... ..changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

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The 'very competent Tories' 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nigellasrockyroad · 22/01/2025 17:47

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:44

In the 25 days between the election and stabbing, everything they did everything wrong.

They defunded the NHS and mental health teams.
Cut funding to local councils by about two thirds.
Fueled hatred and ... ..changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

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‘changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.’

Is this a joke? Brexit has been aA disaster for the UK

letsallchant · 22/01/2025 17:46

What, with a 150+ parliamentary majority to take him through five years? Yeah, I think he'll survive 🙄 Honestly, the scare operation on here is wild.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 22/01/2025 17:44

PandoraSox · 22/01/2025 17:38

What do you mean about the handling of the Rudakubana case? What did this government do wrong?

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In the 25 days between the election and stabbing, everything they did everything wrong.

They defunded the NHS and mental health teams.
Cut funding to local councils by about two thirds.
Fueled hatred and ... ..changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

Berga · 22/01/2025 17:41

PipMumsnet · 22/01/2025 16:08

Hello everyone,

We are getting quite a lot troll hunting reports about this thread so we thought it a good time to remind you that troll hunting goes against our Talk guidelines.

Referring to your fellow Mumsnetters as bots counts as troll hunting. As ever please report any concerns to us as we can check behind the scenes and decide whether or not a poster is genuine.

Those who continue to troll hunt on this or any other thread may have their accounts suspended which is something we would rather avoid.

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Ah answered my question here, hadn't scrolled back. Good to know where Mumsnet stands on this.