To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

You think reform will go from 5 seats to 400+ in 4 years, whilst losing their local candidates?

I disagree. Britain is not likely to move that far to the right. Especially when people start to examine their policies and budgets.

Can see PM Farage at the next election, I think we only went left with the rest of the world going right as people were sick of the Tories, not sure anyone was particularly excited by Starmer. He's a manager not a leader, but I suspect he will hold on for the parliament and find it hard to work with Trump.

I kmow op, the thing is trump has signed all this stuff but we don't know exactly what can change so fast.

On the other hand starmer promises change and then attacked pensioners who are a vulnerable yrouk6, handed tons of money to unions and then promised billions to net zero.

It beggers belief and look at trumps optimism and go.

We had starmer and Lord Ali debacle.
Loads of pessimism.

Trump is hugely pessimistic about the Democrats and it's boring but he's also massively optimistic about what he can do.

Let's see... But I wish we had someone in charge who actually seemed to like our country and was optimistic.

Sorry I missed this without the full quote.
I agree with much of what you've said here, and do respect Labour supporters, I'm married to one! It may surprise you to know that you have voted Tory more recently than I have 😂.
What I have an issue with is the group of posters on here who absolutely do engage in coordinated attacks. I have experienced this myself. I think it's wrong that they share links to other threads for the purpose of either a rallying call, or group ridicule.

Here is Hitler touching his heart

https://bsky.app/profile/winterwoods.se/post/3lgbahr7ggs2y

Bull shit. Where do you think that gesture comes from. Anyone who plays that down is detached from reality. That gesture was political fervour at its worst and Musk meant it. He has embraced a political ideology and is helping to shape it. That gesture shows intent.

The vibe in the US is not replicated here! Depends who you ask. I'm sure you didn't ask everyone in the UK

The same applies to those posters who close down discussion by accusing posters of being staunch labour fans for saying someting positive

It goes both ways

Have you watched the video of Musk giving a so called Nazi salute or just seen a still from it? Because if you watched the video it shows him touching his heart, then lifting his arm in a gesture to send his love. Not a Nazi salute at all.

It’s a bad thing when it’s the same group of posters actively trying to shut down discussion. So much so, their usernames are now synonymous with closing down anything remotely critical of Labour. There are a handful of posters trying desperately to turn AIBU into an echo chamber.

Thenut thanks for your reply.

However if you respect my response as you don't recognise my username as particularly a Labour supporter then you also have to respect Labour supporters will defend them just as Tory supporters defended them.

I have to say I didn't like how staunch Tory's pretended like party gate didn't matter etc. this was the party of dickheads it turns out I voted for and o could criticise them alongside others.

Same way many Labour Labour super items criticise Starmer but lived Corbyn.

Just because you recognise someone for always defending a party doesn't make it a bad thing. That was the point I'm making. Because they'll always be someone in the otherwise doing the same thing for another party.

As someone who is an extremely centric swing voter I think those who will only and always vote Tory are the worst at accepting criticism of the party.

I've seen a lot of Labour people against WFA etc and Starmer is very marmite to Labour supporters because of how centric he is is many ways and imo a lot closer to the old school small c Tory's than Labour.

Although I’ve been told on a number of threads that labours opposition is at fault for the acts of the previous government as they should have “held them to account more”

batshit, but some people do seem to think that

Nope. Not interested. William Hague said that being leader of the opposition is the hardest job in politics. That's because...people are not interested. You have very little, if any power.

How do you know Trump doesn’t like Starmer?

Yougov, but for some annoying reason I can't add the image. But the link is here:

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51328-political-favourability-ratings-january-2025

FFS
occasion

What survey are those stats taken from?

I confess I didn't on this ocassion.
In amongst so many completely bonkers posts it can be difficult to spot. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm not entirely sure what point you are making tbh. My post was not directed at you.
My post was to highlight that every time a poster raises their head above the parapet and defends the tories, they are shredded by a predictable group of MNers who most of us recognise. I have not noticed your username in these pile ons so I do not associate you with that behaviour. I respect your right to your own political opinion.

I don’t think some people recognise sarcasm.

I agree. Over the last ?+ (how old!) Years, I have voted for the tories, liberals and labour. I can’t see me ever voting for reform as Farage and his supporters are pretty awful.
I would say I was probably conservative with a small C, but Brexit put the kibosh on that.
We stilll have 4.5 years of the current government. No point in deciding yet - it’s too early.

Elon Musk and Trump disliking Starmer have made me suddenly really warm to him and I can't be the only one.....

The more we learn from America's mistakes the better, we absolutely do not want to ape them.

I think a lot of people voted anti conservative which is why parties like the lib Dems and greens in some areas did well, and of course labour in winning. Just like those who at the 2020 election in the US voted against Trump rather than FOR Biden led to trump doing very well and particularly with groups who would not be expected to vote as much for him.
I would not put money on labour winning the next UK election.
As to who will win....

I voted Tory in 2019.

Lib Dem in 2010.

Does that mean my comment supporting Starmer and against current story and reform is allowed to stand?

People can dislike what a party has done without being against that party.

I didn't like Labour under Corbyn - I'm liking it more under Starmer.

I thought mn was angry about Trump win

There has been plenty of upset over last few days in any case