To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

@User09678 - why on earth would he step back after 6 months? And even if he did Labour would replace him, it's what the Tories did.

Genuinely interested - why not?

The current Government has been voted in in exactly the same way as the previous ones were. No government pleases everyone - but in our democracy it's the party with the highest number of seats that forms a government for a defined period of time. There will be a formal opportunity to have your vote heard at the next election.
And I say this as a Labour supporter who has recorded my vote in an absolutely solid Tory seat for the last 25 years

I was being a bit OTT but was referring to the end of the world, not to capitalism.

US elections always seem to be won/lost on very fine margins. I don't think I can remember a convincing majority win over the past few decades.

Also for all the talk about the popularity of politicians like Trump - the man has run for election three times and has never managed to convince a majority of the electorate to vote for him.

Sounds like that's what you want. Be careful what you wish for. This is our democracy. We should protect it.

Nope, you're not doing that today.

Here's a video of him actually touching his heart and throwing it out to the crowd.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdAHsFuQ/

Starmer doesn't need to call another election until 2029.

The next US GE will be in 2028.
People seem to have incredibly short memories of how constant and unrelenting of a complete dumpster fire the last Trump administration was. This one has already surpassed it for early controversies.

Trump is 78. Starmer is 62. I know who I'd place me bets on outlasting who.

I agree, but the UK "didn't go left" - the Labour vote was pretty much the same as under Corbyn. It was the Tory vote that splintered with enough votes going to Reform which caused them to lose so many seats. Unless the Tories can attract those voters back, then Reform will continue to grow and could well get enough seats to be decisive in a coalition.

The Labour government will survive the full 5 year term, but Starmer won't. Labour will oust him around 2027/28 to bring in a new leader who is more likely to win the 2029 GE as Starmer is too unpopular to take Labour to a 2029 GE win. Yes, I know there's time, but he's highly unlikely to be able to perform miracles to become more popular himself. I'd put money on Raynor mounting a leadership challenge in a couple of years or so, once Starmer has done all the dirty work (i.e. unpopular policies) and she can brand herself as the optimistic future leader. But I don't think Raynor would win the 2029 GE as leader either. I think Labour are a "one-term wonder"

I thought Starmer looked quite rattled at PMQ's yesterday by both the cons and the lib dem questions.

It is. And the 70% of the electorate who think that things are getting worse doesn't bode well for labour before the scale of the intended welfare cuts are known. The system is in a huge amount of flux and there's really no way to know how it will pan out yet but the trajectory of Labour's support, of lack thereof, seems decidedly stubborn.

Blimey. And posters go on about not all posts being pro Labour. This is why, a public site reflects opinion

It probably would do more if some didn’t try to drive views they don’t like off

I know polls don't really matter at this point in the electoral cycle, but blimey that's quite a shift!

More in Common voting intentions out today/ yesterday have Conservatives and Reform neck and neck at 25% and Labour in third at 24%.

Tracking public opinion https://search.app/SQ3zS586K4rVjqmc6

Dream on.

One of the things that makes me proud to be a Brit is that we have historically always fought off the far right. It feels as though the tradition of political decency disappeared along with the advent of Boris Johnson (history will reveal just how dangerous and destructive he actually was) but I believe that it may take a while but Britain always sees off the wrong uns.

It's so strange that things have changed so much and we have become so seduced by the demagogues that Starmer comes across so badly

I fantasise that there exists such a thing as Karma, by the way, and I live for the day when it kicks populist hatemongerers like Farage, Musk and Trump up the you-know-what.

That's not so difficult to imagine these days.

I have never in my lifetime seen anything like Trump's pardoning the men who attacked US police. Biden's actions in this regard are just as bad imo.

There is a core group who congregate in a certain thread to laugh and sneer and encourage others to join in. Just ignore them. Sit down with a cup of tea and click through their thread. Comedy gold.

It’s a bad thing when it’s the same group of posters actively trying to shut down discussion. So much so, their usernames are now synonymous with closing down anything remotely critical of Labour. There are a handful of posters trying desperately to turn AIBU into an echo chamber.

I dont recognise this at all.

I doe see some posters from all parties relentlessly defending their party though. But not many posters.

The current British government has several years left. Labour was chosen by the people, who don't get to choose again until the next election.

Shit-stirring by Trump or Musk won't change that.

I can see them being larger than the Tories and a coalition. I can also see them spitting the right between them and both doing badly. Many possibilities.

Exactly this. Many people voted Labour as they were the 'least worse' opinion. The more significant result was how many people voted Reform, whose membership is growing daily. Dismiss them at your peril.