To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

@QuimCarrey as you are interested feel free to find what you need

But yes his ability does generate content and btl comments, which are mostly laughing etc

In fact if you want a flip side to the posts that glow over how well he's going in here just pick any KS article on there

The DM is well read and the comments and top line stories show enough do engage

Have you any information about how many people see Daily Mail coverage of PMQs specifically?

I couldn't find it on a quick google, only the general numbers for the paper and the website. Which as with any paper obviously includes people who only click for the celeb gossip, buy it for the crossword etc. But perhaps you have figures to hand, since you evidently think it's significant.

@QuimCarrey yep I think it all feeds into the public sentiment for him

If it's in the DM and people are laughing over it it'll feed into what they think generally

Badenoch really is not doing well in any respect. Even her own party don't rate her.

https://conservativehome.com/2025/01/22/our-survey-badenoch-falls-to-seventh-place-in-our-shadow-cabinet-league-table/

Not what you were asked.

You said, in response to a point about Starmer doing better than Kemi at PMQs, that if he were doing so well the polls would be better.

So does that mean you think the general public are basing their preferences on PMQs?

I don't think I've ever heard less about PMQs than in recent months. Not sure if it's a change in my media consumption habits or there's been less focus lately.

The Welsh Senedd elections in I think 14 months time will be interesting - they're getting more national media attention already.

The electoral process has changed again - so will need to look that up - but polls are saying Labour lost ground and Reform and Plaid Cymru are near them,

You think the general public pays much attention to PMQs?!

The idea he's doing well at them is generous to say the least

Any coverage of PMQs generally results in mockery and some funny lines about his demeanour

I only see posters go on about how 'well' he is doing on here

You think the general public pays much attention to PMQs?!

It was an interesting question. I hope it is not something I have to contemplate in reality!

Clearly pp thinking he is doing good job at PMQs are sticking to comments such as those Labour ones on mn

There's quite funny and accurate appraisals of his ability which are not as glowing as those from his supporters

Yes, I guess so. Prior to the election last year there was a lot of - I wouldn't marry/ be friends with a Tory from Labour supporters and I wondered if perhaps that the ideological rejection of conservatives might trump the tactical opposition to Reform. I was just curious. I voted Conservative for the first time in this election and I thought about it but bottled it in the booth the time before because of my gender critical standpoint, but that felt quite odd. Anyway, it was a bit nosey of me to ask but I appreciate the response.

Really?

He always sounds so worked up by her. Repeating the same old lines every time.

Well wasn’t that nice…

I just wondered, did you expect me to say I wouldn't tactically vote Tory to keep Reform out?

Reform and its supporters frighten me. I would rather live under a Tory government(caveat: traditional version, not the Badenoch watered down Farage version) for the rest of my days than have a bunch of violent, grifting bigots in charge.

I agree with pp that the polls are meaningless this far away from a GE. Look at the polls in 1990 - 93 and compare with the outcome of the GE. Polls in 2009 indicated a Tory victory, which failed to materialise in 2010 when we had a hung Parliament.

If the polls are like this six months before the GE, then I'll worry.

Find out now lay out their methodology so if you can highlight the troubling points of difference that you see comparative to others, like Yougov - who has a similar sample size, then I'd be grateful. They all seem to have a margin of error that makes it tricky to be definitive about who is most popular but they all show the trajectory of huge loss for labour, loss for conservatives and gains for reform. And, while I agree, so far out from the next g.e. it isn't indicative of future results but as a litmus test for whether public opinion is on the march, then yes, I think something bigger is afoot.

Badenoch was close to tears when Starmer humiliated her about her hitherto total lack of interest in victims of grooming gangs. She is mostly terrible at PMQs. Her lack of experience really shows.

Yeah, Starmer is wildly better than Kemi at PMQs. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. He's a career barrister and his party have a vast numerical advantage, so the format simply works much more to his advantage than anyone else's. Anyone wanting to slag him off or make him look weak would do better simply to gloss over PMQs.

If you’re referring to the Find Out Now poll, it might be worth doing some reading on how credible they are with polling and what their sample for that poll was. Either way, the council by-elections since last July clearly haven’t reflected this projected success for Reform, they’ve won 7 seats from 184 (plus the 10 Reform councillors who resigned in Derby).

I think this obsession with polls so far away from an election is unhealthy, and reflective of this weird, daily focus on popularity over actual political issues and policy, e.g. Farage bragging about his TikTok followers when questioned about Reform MP James McMurdock’s conviction for violently kicking a woman (which he then didn’t fully disclose to the electorate…which raises questions over vetting processes by parties and clearance checks for MPs). This is not something we want to normalise.

Also, are you suggesting that Starmer is ‘constantly humiliated’ at PMQs? Like everyone else, he gets things wrong and I disagree with him at times, but ‘constantly humiliated’ is not an accurate description of reality at all.

That's interesting. Well, interesting times ahead, I suppose.

Yes. Absolutely.

At the last election, the mood was get the tories out. There were websites set up telling voters how to vote in their constituency to remove the tories.
If the mood at the next election is get labour out, the same websites may show that voting reform is the best way to do it.

Would you vote conservative to keep reform out PandoraSox?