Page 10 | To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

User09678 · 2025-01-22T12:25:41+00:00

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

TheNuthatch · 25/01/2025 12:29

I watched PMQ's this week for the first time in a while.
Starmer was rattled and irritated throughout! He couldn't cope with the Kemi B's questions re academies, and he struggled with Ed Davey too asking him about social care. It was a shit performance by KS.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:27

@QuimCarrey you sounded interested so I mentioned it. Listen or don't

Maybe Starmer has turned all but the most loyal Labour lot off PMQs, the repetitive non answer and manner not helping him

QuimCarrey · 25/01/2025 12:24

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:20

@QuimCarrey I don't listen to it anymore but if you want to know the impact listen to Times radio who do focus groups. They pick up on lines that stick and why

If you don't listen to it any more, and we're talking about the impact of Daily Mail coverage PMQs on recent polls, presumably there's a written source detailing what Times Radio is saying currently about that issue. As it would be an odd thing to cite otherwise.

Could you link it please?

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:23

Which poster said that about Badenoch?

There's been a couple of times the claim has been made with the word humiliation for her

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:22

@PandoraSox you do realise the bold means someone else wrote that?

Feel free to focus your attention on that poster

Sherbs12 · 25/01/2025 12:21

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:09

You're talking about another poster, it was someone else talking about humiliation for another politician.

I said people not everyone thinks he's doing well, they either mock or find descriptions funny. I don't think you are anymore objective tbf

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And I thought you then quoted their post and stated ‘This sums up Starmer at PMQ…

Well, to be fair, we’re all entitled to our own thoughts, as meaningless and as inaccurate as they may well be.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:20

@QuimCarrey I don't listen to it anymore but if you want to know the impact listen to Times radio who do focus groups. They pick up on lines that stick and why

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 12:19

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:09

You're talking about another poster, it was someone else talking about humiliation for another politician.

I said people not everyone thinks he's doing well, they either mock or find descriptions funny. I don't think you are anymore objective tbf

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You implied it ES.

To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

ByMerryKoala · 25/01/2025 12:19

I'm quite interested in politics but I find PMQs a hard watch. The jeering, heckling, the quips, the sucking up, the faux concern for individual constituents. It's fairly damming of all of them.

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 12:18

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EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:17

Tbf on what's happening with the opposition the most recent poll below shows if you do little Labour will still drop to third

Never interrupt your enemy.. and all that

QuimCarrey · 25/01/2025 12:16

derxa · 25/01/2025 12:14

Re PMQs. I watch most weeks and it’s usually an utter bore fest. I know Boris Johnson is hated on here but it was far more entertaining with him in it. I don’t think the vast majority of people pay any attention to it.

Agree with your last sentence, I've not seen any recent evidence that the electorate judge it as important.

ByMerryKoala · 25/01/2025 12:15

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 12:08

I see the Conservative Home poll showing Badenoch's popularity in her own party tanking is being conveniently ignored.

I mean, it's just not very relevant to a discussion about a vibe shift. Yes, I think her performance has been disappointing but irrelevant to observing a movement in the general population who had already given up on the Tories in July.

derxa · 25/01/2025 12:14

Re PMQs. I watch most weeks and it’s usually an utter bore fest. I know Boris Johnson is hated on here but it was far more entertaining with him in it. I don’t think the vast majority of people pay any attention to it.

QuimCarrey · 25/01/2025 12:09

Jabtastic · 25/01/2025 12:04

I must confess I didn't understand appointing Mandelson. I feel like Starmer is a decent man just really bad with understanding optics and the mood of the country.

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Yeah I thought Mandelson was an odd choice too.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 12:09

Sherbs12 · 25/01/2025 11:57

I’m very aware of how bias works, thank you; regardless of my voting background (which you have no knowledge of) and party politics aside, I’d still be able to have enough critical thinking skills and objectivity to know that what I’m watching and seeing each week at PMQs is not Starmer being ‘constantly humiliated’ as you’ve previously described.

You're talking about another poster, it was someone else talking about humiliation for another politician.

I said people not everyone thinks he's doing well, they either mock or find descriptions funny. I don't think you are anymore objective tbf

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 12:08

I see the Conservative Home poll showing Badenoch's popularity in her own party tanking is being conveniently ignored.

QuimCarrey · 25/01/2025 12:08

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 11:07

@QuimCarrey as you are interested feel free to find what you need

But yes his ability does generate content and btl comments, which are mostly laughing etc

In fact if you want a flip side to the posts that glow over how well he's going in here just pick any KS article on there

The DM is well read and the comments and top line stories show enough do engage

Unfortunately, I can't find what you've based your claim about the DM on.

Does this mean you don't have any information on the numbers that are actually seeing the DM coverage of PMQs, but you've nonetheless decided it's an explanation for the polls?

The DM website is clearly popular, but obviously that in itself doesn't tell us anything about the wider influence of their coverage on one, specific issue.

Jabtastic · 25/01/2025 12:04

GasPanic · 22/01/2025 14:07

He did an idiot move by replacing the current ambassador with Mandelson.

Apparently the old ambassador got on really well with Trumps team.

Like it or not, everyone is going to have to manage Trump and his policies.

Get it right and we can be in a useful bridge position between the US and Europe. Get it wrong and we will be screwed by both sides.

Starmer just doesn't look up to the challenge IMO.

I must confess I didn't understand appointing Mandelson. I feel like Starmer is a decent man just really bad with understanding optics and the mood of the country.

Sherbs12 · 25/01/2025 11:57

I’m very aware of how bias works, thank you; regardless of my voting background (which you have no knowledge of) and party politics aside, I’d still be able to have enough critical thinking skills and objectivity to know that what I’m watching and seeing each week at PMQs is not Starmer being ‘constantly humiliated’ as you’ve previously described.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 11:42

@Sherbs12 if you're a Labour voter as those who say he's doing well appear to be then that's not a surprise

It doesn't mean it's the case. Others will view his style and come to another conclusion

And currently he seems to have fewer like you and more who don't think he's doing well, not just PMQs but generally

Sherbs12 · 25/01/2025 11:33

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 10:51

You think the general public pays much attention to PMQs?!

The idea he's doing well at them is generous to say the least

Any coverage of PMQs generally results in mockery and some funny lines about his demeanour

I only see posters go on about how 'well' he is doing on here

I think that totally depends on your sources and the angle they present it in - I’m basing mine on watching PMQs, regularly.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 11:15

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 09:47

Badenoch was close to tears when Starmer humiliated her about her hitherto total lack of interest in victims of grooming gangs. She is mostly terrible at PMQs. Her lack of experience really shows.

Mind you this was unintentionally hilarious

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 11:14

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 11:12

I don't know about laughing at the PM, but some posts on here are unintentionally hilarious 🤣

Of course they are.

If in doubt emoji it out

It won't help him much. He really is tanking..

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 11:12

I don't know about laughing at the PM, but some posts on here are unintentionally hilarious 🤣