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To think phone drivers should receive an immediate 3 month ban

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JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 10:52

That's it. That's the thread.

In seriousness, I am sick to the back teeth of seeing people where I live (Surrey, before everyone says "oh I don't see any phone drivers where I live, OP) using their mobile phone while driving.

It's endemic here, but I suspect it's the same anywhere in the UK.

I'll start from worst to most serious:

  • WhatsApp gap People in traffic slowing down to a crawl. They take their phone out and glance at it on their lap and start texting. Then the car takes off in front of them seconds before the light changes. Do they move forward? Do they heck. Now this isn't necessarily as dangerous as the next few examples, but it's bloody irritating when you're behind them, you can't move, and then the lights change. They're essentially saying "My time is more important than yours".
  • Slow urban texting People using phones during slow urban driving. I see it every day - they're on a 30 mph road, its a two lane carriageway in town. They glance down to type, then up to maintain their progress before the next set of lights. It's disgusting, but they get away with it because it's a big enough road and no one is crossing at that point.
  • Pulling out without looking People on our school run who literally are holding their phone to their ear or texting, AS THEY PULL OUT of the space. So they're not even looking or paying attention in case a child darts out (and before people say it, yeah I see children dart out all the time. It's wrong, it's not my fault, but their parents are.... guess what, on their phones while walking). These folk then get really angry if I or anyone else points it out, as if I'm deliberately victimising them.
  • Motorway driving This one really gets my goat because of the speed. I have driven in lane 1, gone to change lane safely after indicating, only to find the person in front has suddenly slowed down inexplicably. I slow down myself, I check my speed, move around safely to 3, then indicate back across 2 and into 1. While doing that, I glance over... OF COURSE SHE'S TEXTING. I've even seen someone holding their phone on a video call (Christ wept).

My point is, why do any of these people deserve the luxury of six points?

I think there should be a 3 month ban for these folk.

.I'd like to hear their usual self-centred 'hardship' stories in court "I have to drive around my 3 year old and work, how do I do this now, I can't afford cabs?!"

I cannot stand the self centredness, the myopic " I can multitask" bullshit that exists around driving in this country. We've all got way too comfortable in these massive things, wandering around with our phone addictions, knowing there's not enough police to stop this.

If you're a driver and you do this? Shame on you! Seriously. I can't stand it. If either of my DDs were injured or killed by someone using their phone, I would be apoplectic with the pointlessness of it.

AIBU? I can't wait to hear how much I am "too invested, OP" by the usual apologists for this kind of thing.

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ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 11:24

Areyounotentertained · 22/01/2025 11:20

I disagree, but only in extreme circumstances. There’s a few times I have been driving and my alarm has gone off and I havnt been able to stop so I have had to grab my phone to press the button as I can’t drive with that noise disturbance. However I use Siri if I need to make a phone call or send a message etc and only if it’s urgent so that I don’t have to hold my phone.

that type of situation aside I agree. It’s a big case of “it will never happen to me” (an accident). I think points is more effective than a ban. Once a ban is over they are back on the road thinking “I won’t get caught”. At least with points they stay on their licence long term

You can always find a place to stop or come off on the next motorway exit. Put your phone on silent every time you drive or turn it off completely if you can’t stop the alarms.

SerendipityJane · 22/01/2025 11:23

No argument from me.

Alternatives are seizing and crushing the phone (if you can't be trusted to use it legally, you don't have it).

And on that basis, seizing and selling the car. After all, if you can't be trusted, why should you have it ?

However I suspect I am in the minority.

Allywill · 22/01/2025 11:22

Decades ago in the 70s for example drink drivers often got off with a warning if a local police officer pulled them over especially if the driver was a “respectable” member of the community. It also used to be the norm if a person was going to lose their job for being a totter, a ban wasn’t issued or if it was it it was for a very minimum amount e.g a few weeks whereas now it’s a min of 6 months and losing your job is not considered a mitigation. Using a phone at the wheel has increased from 3 points to 6 and Police could also add driving without due care/attention as another offence or even dangerous driving if they felt the driving was seriously impaired or an accident caused.

Areyounotentertained · 22/01/2025 11:20

ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 10:57

Ban for life. There’s no excuse for using a phone in the hand.

I disagree, but only in extreme circumstances. There’s a few times I have been driving and my alarm has gone off and I havnt been able to stop so I have had to grab my phone to press the button as I can’t drive with that noise disturbance. However I use Siri if I need to make a phone call or send a message etc and only if it’s urgent so that I don’t have to hold my phone.

that type of situation aside I agree. It’s a big case of “it will never happen to me” (an accident). I think points is more effective than a ban. Once a ban is over they are back on the road thinking “I won’t get caught”. At least with points they stay on their licence long term

JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 11:14

And if you're spending £20/£30k+ on a car you can afford a hands free kit/ car play if it's not already included.

Well said @ohtowinthelottery but this is the mad thing:

The person who pulled out on the school run? She had an Audi Q7, a modern one.

She already had all the tech she needed, she just didn't want to / couldn't be bothered to use it.

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tootsierubs · 22/01/2025 11:11

I agree should be a ban but for longer if caught on a motorway, automatic 6 month ban. Dangerous and extremely selfish.

ohtowinthelottery · 22/01/2025 11:10

I'm totally in agreement. I see it all the time, and I always think WTF, just put your phone down before you cause an accident.

I've recently changed my car and was pairing my mobile up to the screen. I very rarely answer calls whilst driving anyway. DH talked about connecting my phone so I could use WhatsApp. My response, "why would I do that?" A message can wait until I'm not driving and if it's that urgent i/they can ring.
TBH I think the whole thing with touch screen controls in modern cars is far too distracting and one of the things I looked for when changing my car was one where the heating and fan was controlled with a knob rather than flicking through multiple screens.

I think a ban rather than a poxy fine is the only way to make people think twice about it.
And if you're spending £20/£30k+ on a car you can afford a hands free kit/ car play if it's not already included.

taxguru · 22/01/2025 11:08

ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 10:57

Ban for life. There’s no excuse for using a phone in the hand.

I agree. I'd also love to see harsher punishments for other driving offences too. We've really gone too soft, and the standard of driving etc has nose dived because there's no longer any effective punishment. Go back a couple of decades and "normal" police would stop you if they saw you doing something illegal, including section cars, dog vans, etc. Now it seems that the non-traffic police don't care about traffic offences anymore. The traffic police are only interested in serious accidents or when they have a particular "initiative" and just ignore other bad/illegal driving as they can't be bothered at other times.

Mobile phones are just the tip of the iceberg. Same serious punishments needed for jumping red lights, wrong way down one way streets, speeding, not stopping at junctions, middle lane hogging, etc. Also more enforcement and more penalties for the "minor" offences like obstructing pavements and dropped kerbs, double yellow parking, etc., blown bulbs, obstructed and illegally spaced number plates, etc. Then we also need more serious penalties for no road tax, no insurance, no MOT, etc - personally, I'd crush the cars!

It's been a slippery slope for the past 20-30 years. More and more drivers see others get away with things, so they start to do it themselves, and hey presto, no one seems to care about the traffic laws anymore, all because they know they'll get away with it unless they're unlucky enough to be caught by a random/rare "initiative" or be involved in a serious accident!

JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 11:06

look like at least one person disagrees

To think phone drivers should receive an immediate 3 month ban
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BlueRobins · 22/01/2025 11:02

people survived in cars without mobiles years ago, so they should now

JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 10:59

ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 10:57

Ban for life. There’s no excuse for using a phone in the hand.

I am liking your thinking @ButterCrackers and I agree.

I think the difficulty is that a lot of legislators, police etc, know that there are most likely legal mitigations people could and have used.

But I agree - why the fuck is it in your hand when you are moving a vehicle at ANY speed?

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ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 10:57

Ban for life. There’s no excuse for using a phone in the hand.