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To think phone drivers should receive an immediate 3 month ban

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JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 10:52

That's it. That's the thread.

In seriousness, I am sick to the back teeth of seeing people where I live (Surrey, before everyone says "oh I don't see any phone drivers where I live, OP) using their mobile phone while driving.

It's endemic here, but I suspect it's the same anywhere in the UK.

I'll start from worst to most serious:

  • WhatsApp gap People in traffic slowing down to a crawl. They take their phone out and glance at it on their lap and start texting. Then the car takes off in front of them seconds before the light changes. Do they move forward? Do they heck. Now this isn't necessarily as dangerous as the next few examples, but it's bloody irritating when you're behind them, you can't move, and then the lights change. They're essentially saying "My time is more important than yours".
  • Slow urban texting People using phones during slow urban driving. I see it every day - they're on a 30 mph road, its a two lane carriageway in town. They glance down to type, then up to maintain their progress before the next set of lights. It's disgusting, but they get away with it because it's a big enough road and no one is crossing at that point.
  • Pulling out without looking People on our school run who literally are holding their phone to their ear or texting, AS THEY PULL OUT of the space. So they're not even looking or paying attention in case a child darts out (and before people say it, yeah I see children dart out all the time. It's wrong, it's not my fault, but their parents are.... guess what, on their phones while walking). These folk then get really angry if I or anyone else points it out, as if I'm deliberately victimising them.
  • Motorway driving This one really gets my goat because of the speed. I have driven in lane 1, gone to change lane safely after indicating, only to find the person in front has suddenly slowed down inexplicably. I slow down myself, I check my speed, move around safely to 3, then indicate back across 2 and into 1. While doing that, I glance over... OF COURSE SHE'S TEXTING. I've even seen someone holding their phone on a video call (Christ wept).

My point is, why do any of these people deserve the luxury of six points?

I think there should be a 3 month ban for these folk.

.I'd like to hear their usual self-centred 'hardship' stories in court "I have to drive around my 3 year old and work, how do I do this now, I can't afford cabs?!"

I cannot stand the self centredness, the myopic " I can multitask" bullshit that exists around driving in this country. We've all got way too comfortable in these massive things, wandering around with our phone addictions, knowing there's not enough police to stop this.

If you're a driver and you do this? Shame on you! Seriously. I can't stand it. If either of my DDs were injured or killed by someone using their phone, I would be apoplectic with the pointlessness of it.

AIBU? I can't wait to hear how much I am "too invested, OP" by the usual apologists for this kind of thing.

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taxguru · 22/01/2025 12:35

DragonFly98 · 22/01/2025 12:28

I couldn’t do that I am autistic it would be far more dangerous to drive with an alarm than press stop alarm. Not everything is black and white.

So make sure the alarms are turned off and phone put into silent mode before driving then.

DragonFly98 · 22/01/2025 12:28

ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 11:24

You can always find a place to stop or come off on the next motorway exit. Put your phone on silent every time you drive or turn it off completely if you can’t stop the alarms.

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I couldn’t do that I am autistic it would be far more dangerous to drive with an alarm than press stop alarm. Not everything is black and white.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/01/2025 12:28

People can turn their phones off before they get in the car.

They're often needed for SatNav.
But obviously they should be set up hands free and extraneous notifications turned off.

Lurkingandlearning · 22/01/2025 12:19

JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 11:29

I hear you @Areyounotentertained on the alarm, I sort of get it... a 3 month ban would seem very harsh for that circumstance.

But for me this is where the 'whatabouttery' culture has crept in so deeply into phone usage, that "silencing notifications" could also be included in that category. Or switching to silent mode so as not to wake "baby".

There's just always a reason . We are addicted to these things, we are "summoned" by them so easily.

I long for the days where I can have a rational argument with people about phone usage; instead I'm normally met with "but I need to work?!" etc...

People can turn their phones off before they get in the car. Phones can be set to Do Not Disturb. My phone knows when it’s in a moving vehicle and isn’t useable. Well I haven’t tried to use it when the driving notification comes up but I don’t think it is

taxguru · 22/01/2025 12:16

Dror · 22/01/2025 11:32

The sentences for drivers who kill through their own scumbaggery (drink or drugs) or sheer gormless inattention are pathetic, also.

@Areyounotentertained being banned from driving also stays on the offenders licence, and must be declared for a certain amount of years when taking out insurance.

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Trouble is that both driving without a licence and driving without insurance are already ever growing offences. We need better enforcement and policing.

Bushmillsbabe · 22/01/2025 12:15

Lurkingandlearning · 22/01/2025 12:12

I'd like to hear their usual self-centred 'hardship' stories in court "I have to drive around my 3 year old and work, how do I do this now, I can't afford cabs?!"

I think you’re right about them being given a ban.

Coincidently, I heard something on the radio today about convicted benefit cheats having their license taken away. My first thought was that might hamper them getting work.

Maybe when people have committed these crimes but genuinely do need to drive for work or child care, they could be tagged so they would only be able to drive for those necessities.

That could be doable, their car reg could be linked to anpr network and an alert go off if they use the car outside certain times/areas.

taxguru · 22/01/2025 12:13

Allywill · 22/01/2025 11:22

Decades ago in the 70s for example drink drivers often got off with a warning if a local police officer pulled them over especially if the driver was a “respectable” member of the community. It also used to be the norm if a person was going to lose their job for being a totter, a ban wasn’t issued or if it was it it was for a very minimum amount e.g a few weeks whereas now it’s a min of 6 months and losing your job is not considered a mitigation. Using a phone at the wheel has increased from 3 points to 6 and Police could also add driving without due care/attention as another offence or even dangerous driving if they felt the driving was seriously impaired or an accident caused.

But police aren't interested in dealing with traffic offences these days unless it's caused a serious accident or they're engaged in some kind of "initiative". Pointless having more and more punishments if the existing laws aren't being enforced.

Bushmillsbabe · 22/01/2025 12:12

BlueRobins · 22/01/2025 11:31

why not turn the phone off when driving ?

That actually isn't the best idea, best to just put to silent.
Modern cars (post 2018) automatically alert emergency services via your phone signal if you are involved in a crash where the airbags go off, and they use this signal to find out your location so can send help.
I never knew about this until I went on a 'naughty drivers course' for doing 23mph in a 20 zone, and the instructor told us.

I do agree about phone users, most things can be done hands free now anyway, so don't see why anyone wouod need to use their phone when driving

Lurkingandlearning · 22/01/2025 12:12

I'd like to hear their usual self-centred 'hardship' stories in court "I have to drive around my 3 year old and work, how do I do this now, I can't afford cabs?!"

I think you’re right about them being given a ban.

Coincidently, I heard something on the radio today about convicted benefit cheats having their license taken away. My first thought was that might hamper them getting work.

Maybe when people have committed these crimes but genuinely do need to drive for work or child care, they could be tagged so they would only be able to drive for those necessities.

SerendipityJane · 22/01/2025 12:06

BorgQueen · 22/01/2025 12:03

As should red light jumpers. Why all traffic lights don’t have a camera is beyond me, it would raise billions, if my area is anything to go by.

Again, no argument from me.

AluckyEllie · 22/01/2025 12:05

Moier · 22/01/2025 11:30

We were following a lorry that was all over the place.
When we overtook he was watching a film on an iPad while driving.

This reminds me of that horrific video of a lorry driver who was watching a film and didn’t notice the cars in front had stopped at a hold up. Ploughed into the back of them, killed about 4 people. The police released the video from inside his cab- it was awful. They interviewed him too and he said he had to live with it for the rest of his life (as he bloody should but all so pointless.)

BorgQueen · 22/01/2025 12:03

As should red light jumpers. Why all traffic lights don’t have a camera is beyond me, it would raise billions, if my area is anything to go by.

SerendipityJane · 22/01/2025 12:01

Wendolino · 22/01/2025 11:42

I agree. There is no excuse. Immediate bans would make them think twice

The problem with bans, if if you are moronic enough to break the law by using your phone, you are also moronic enough to ignore a ban. After all you've broken one law.

Hence seizing and crushing the phone is a much much better deterrent. Especially if it's done on the spot and the arsehole motorist has to set it up from scratch. That'll keep them busy for a few weeks.

Allywill · 22/01/2025 11:58

Not sure how a ban for life from having a phone would be enforced if that was even a serious suggestion. We can’t even effectively enforce a 12 month driving ban given the number of people who are convicted for driving whilst disqualified.

Wendolino · 22/01/2025 11:42

I agree. There is no excuse. Immediate bans would make them think twice

SerendipityJane · 22/01/2025 11:41

CwmYoy · 22/01/2025 11:40

Why are the police allowed to use their radios and phones? I was horrified when I saw this on a reality cop show.
In pursuit at speed and talking on the radio which he needs to press a button on and driving one handed. So dangerous.

In theory they are trained.

Also the law allows it.

ButterCrackers · 22/01/2025 11:40

SerendipityJane · 22/01/2025 11:23

No argument from me.

Alternatives are seizing and crushing the phone (if you can't be trusted to use it legally, you don't have it).

And on that basis, seizing and selling the car. After all, if you can't be trusted, why should you have it ?

However I suspect I am in the minority.

Agree. Banned for life from owning or using a phone or portable device in any circumstances.

CwmYoy · 22/01/2025 11:40

Why are the police allowed to use their radios and phones? I was horrified when I saw this on a reality cop show.
In pursuit at speed and talking on the radio which he needs to press a button on and driving one handed. So dangerous.

MathsMum3 · 22/01/2025 11:36

Totally agree. I also live in Surrey and see it all the time. So tempted to video them on my phone and report to police, but I'm never quite quick enough! Also, I've heard that unfortunately Surrey Police aren't so great at prosecuting based on a witness video. London Met Police are much hotter on this, so worth reporting if you're just over the border in a London Borough.

MojoMoon · 22/01/2025 11:36

I'd like cars to be seized during the ban period.
Bans are regularly flouted.

I know that it might be jointly owned but maybe the grumpy other owner can help remind the driver never to do to again
If it is leased car, the leasing company can pursue the driver for damages.

First offence: three months ban and car seized for that period, fine of 3000GBP to cover cost of car storage.

Second offence: Lifetime ban. Car permanently removed.

Third offence: well, you were also driving while banned so definitely prison

MojoMoon · 22/01/2025 11:32

Areyounotentertained · 22/01/2025 11:20

I disagree, but only in extreme circumstances. There’s a few times I have been driving and my alarm has gone off and I havnt been able to stop so I have had to grab my phone to press the button as I can’t drive with that noise disturbance. However I use Siri if I need to make a phone call or send a message etc and only if it’s urgent so that I don’t have to hold my phone.

that type of situation aside I agree. It’s a big case of “it will never happen to me” (an accident). I think points is more effective than a ban. Once a ban is over they are back on the road thinking “I won’t get caught”. At least with points they stay on their licence long term

That's not an extreme circumstance.

That is you failing to be a responsible driver.

The person you kill while driving at 70mph and switching your alarm off because you didn't bother to engage your brain and silence your phone before driving will not consider that a reasonable excuse

Dror · 22/01/2025 11:32

The sentences for drivers who kill through their own scumbaggery (drink or drugs) or sheer gormless inattention are pathetic, also.

@Areyounotentertained being banned from driving also stays on the offenders licence, and must be declared for a certain amount of years when taking out insurance.

BlueRobins · 22/01/2025 11:31

Areyounotentertained · 22/01/2025 11:20

I disagree, but only in extreme circumstances. There’s a few times I have been driving and my alarm has gone off and I havnt been able to stop so I have had to grab my phone to press the button as I can’t drive with that noise disturbance. However I use Siri if I need to make a phone call or send a message etc and only if it’s urgent so that I don’t have to hold my phone.

that type of situation aside I agree. It’s a big case of “it will never happen to me” (an accident). I think points is more effective than a ban. Once a ban is over they are back on the road thinking “I won’t get caught”. At least with points they stay on their licence long term

why not turn the phone off when driving ?

Moier · 22/01/2025 11:30

We were following a lorry that was all over the place.
When we overtook he was watching a film on an iPad while driving.

JacquesHarlow · 22/01/2025 11:29

Areyounotentertained · 22/01/2025 11:20

I disagree, but only in extreme circumstances. There’s a few times I have been driving and my alarm has gone off and I havnt been able to stop so I have had to grab my phone to press the button as I can’t drive with that noise disturbance. However I use Siri if I need to make a phone call or send a message etc and only if it’s urgent so that I don’t have to hold my phone.

that type of situation aside I agree. It’s a big case of “it will never happen to me” (an accident). I think points is more effective than a ban. Once a ban is over they are back on the road thinking “I won’t get caught”. At least with points they stay on their licence long term

I hear you @Areyounotentertained on the alarm, I sort of get it... a 3 month ban would seem very harsh for that circumstance.

But for me this is where the 'whatabouttery' culture has crept in so deeply into phone usage, that "silencing notifications" could also be included in that category. Or switching to silent mode so as not to wake "baby".

There's just always a reason . We are addicted to these things, we are "summoned" by them so easily.

I long for the days where I can have a rational argument with people about phone usage; instead I'm normally met with "but I need to work?!" etc...

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