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Made me feel uncomfortable should I make a complaint.

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Singlemamabear · 22/01/2025 07:06

Hi, my 5 year old dd has been seeing a male dr for autism. We’ve gotten a diagnosis and went in to see the dr for a meeting. He done a physical exam, her height, weight etc.
he then said that in the previous appointment he wasn’t able to check her skin and needed to do it so I agreed. He checked her skin and then attempted to take her knickers off which I could have done ? And if he’s checking her skin why did he need to see her genitals? I stopped it there it made me feel uncomfortable. What does a test for autism have to do with her genitals ?
am I being unreasonable? I hope I’m just overthinking because of my own trauma but he did makes me feel abit uncomfortable… he also commented on me and my daughters lips… I really hope I’m over thinking

OP posts:
PlantDoctor · 22/01/2025 18:13

Singlemamabear · 22/01/2025 15:23

Hi yes it’s been said but he literally tried to pull her knickers down. Without asking me too

So disturbing. I hope you and DD are ok. You stopped it, so we'll done you. Kick up the biggest fuss until someone listens x

porridgebath · 22/01/2025 18:06

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:12

Why would you call the police ? He’s a doctor. The choice for chaperone is usually a member of staff or your own companion - the childs’ mother was there to advocate, so why the need for an extra chaperone ? As several people have said, cafe au lait marks on the skin and clusters in the groin area can be signs of other associated conditions. Why not ask a simple question - ‘why are you doing that’? And wait for the answer. The reason is likely totally legitimate but in this case done clumsily - but why jump straight to nonce ? I despair of the way this country is going. When we’ve rendered the medical profession scared to even look at us the wrong way we’re going to end up with sub standard healthcare. What then ? Sue for negligence when it’s our own paranoia that’s responsible?

Ideally OP would have asked why at the time but even more ideally the doctor would have explained what the hell he was doing

xyz111 · 22/01/2025 17:48

I wouldn't just be making a complaint. I would be talking to the police!!!

Pieandchips999 · 22/01/2025 17:46

Just to say as this a potential safeguarding concern I would recommend a bit more than just using the complaints procedure. There is a job in children's services called the Local Authority Designated Officer (LADO). Their job is to investigate professionals where there is concerning behaviour that is at a harmful or abusive level. They will make a plan and coordinate other agencies. A complaint could warn the person involved if they are spoken to. You can look these details up online if you Google children's services and your concern council name and LADO or ring the MASH team (multi agency safeguarding hub) that takes referrals. Unfortunately people are more likely to trust people in a position power and will agree with things they are actually not properly comfortable with. Try not to feel guilty and you are doing the right thing getting help now

porridgebath · 22/01/2025 17:44

Why do yo I think you might be unreasonable? He made you uncomfortable. Why do you think that isn't something to complain about?

Incakewetrust · 22/01/2025 17:43

Report to the GMC. It's the doctors and GPs independent regulator. They'll do a full investigation

Greyish2025 · 22/01/2025 17:34

Nanny0gg · 22/01/2025 17:29

Really? I've had moles removed and I've never had my genitalia checked!

If you read my comment I asked if he actually checked her genitalia or was it just the skin around it and her bottom!

There is a difference

Maria1982 · 22/01/2025 17:33

Your instinct is 100% correct.
please report him!

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:29

pinkstripeycat · 22/01/2025 17:23

A GP should STILL ask the mother if she would like a chaperone. That way, all parties have a witness if there are any questions, confusion, queries. My female GP asked if I’d like a chaperone when she checked me for breast lumps

Our surgery doesn’t ask as routine. There are notices up in the surgery saying that patients attending alone can request a chaperone if they want one.

Nanny0gg · 22/01/2025 17:29

Greyish2025 · 22/01/2025 17:27

Was he trying to look at her genitals or the skin on her bottom and around her genitals perhaps for moles/ other beauty marks

Really? I've had moles removed and I've never had my genitalia checked!

Hwi · 22/01/2025 17:28

Well done, amazing mum for stopping it and you definitely should take it up with the management. Too often we read stories of women going to a GP for cough or ear problems, who have been subjected to a vaginal exam!!!!! Loads of stories in the papers - and these are the ones who have reported it! What about loads more of those who are taught to worship the NHS and doctors and don't say a word? Needless to say, many people go to professions where they can have access to the vulnerable (and every patient is vulnerable, there is too much power imbalance) - doctors, teachers, priests, coaches, etc., to abuse the vulnerable. Well done mum!

Nanny0gg · 22/01/2025 17:28

Singlemamabear · 22/01/2025 07:23

@PicaK its made me feel like a failure of a mum now. We’ve had an appointment before and he honestly made me feel uncomfortable, he said my daughter is very charismatic. I spoke to my mum about it and she didn’t someone saying that isn’t a bad thing it’s good but what happened today raised more red flags

But you're not a bad mum

You stopped him!

Greyish2025 · 22/01/2025 17:27

Singlemamabear · 22/01/2025 07:25

@Flipslop i feel like I’ve not protected her well enough. I should have said no overall. He said if it was fine and I said yes, which I shouldn’t have done. I wasn’t aware he would have tried to look at her genitals. I’ve always had a bad feeling about him

Was he trying to look at her genitals or the skin on her bottom and around her genitals perhaps for moles/ other beauty marks

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:27

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 17:21

@Rosscameasdoody

For reasons like this!!

If the OP was present, why didn’t she ask what he was doing and why ? I agree he should have explained himself in advance and been clear what was needed, but a simple ‘why are you doing that’ could have prevented the whole scenario.

In our surgery patients are advised that chaperones are available on request if the patient is attending alone, or they can have their own companion present. The child wasn’t attending alone. In this case OP was the chaperone.

pinkstripeycat · 22/01/2025 17:23

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:17

Opening himself up to what ? Why didn’t OP open her mouth and ask what he was doing and why at the time ? If OP was present with her child at the time of the examination then she is the chaperone. The child was not left alone with the doctor.

A GP should STILL ask the mother if she would like a chaperone. That way, all parties have a witness if there are any questions, confusion, queries. My female GP asked if I’d like a chaperone when she checked me for breast lumps

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 17:21

@Rosscameasdoody

For reasons like this!!

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:20

Overthebow · 22/01/2025 16:26

I was thinking he may have been checking for signs of EDS, but the not asking and not having a nurse present is just not right. You are right to complain and have this investigated, even if there’s nothing amiss it’s bad practice.

Why do so many posters think a chaperone was necessary when OP herself was in the room the whole time ?

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:17

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 16:53

I had a lump on the top of my leg checked by a man at the hospital and a woman came and sat in.

What the fuck is this man doing opening himself up to this?

Opening himself up to what ? Why didn’t OP open her mouth and ask what he was doing and why at the time ? If OP was present with her child at the time of the examination then she is the chaperone. The child was not left alone with the doctor.

summerbeaches · 22/01/2025 17:15

doctor here…

Firstly, I am so sorry you’ve both been through this. It is absolutely not a reflection on you as a mother so please do not think this.

was this NHS or private?
what specialty was this doctor - dermatologist/endocrinologist/urologist?

There’s many genetic syndromes that have ASD and skin conditions as part of them - in many of them the genitals are small/large/intersex. It isn’t part of most nurses scope of practice to check for these & nor are they trained to do so (unless they are advanced nurse practitioners). Full physical examination in such cases, as well as bloods are necessary to get to the correct underlying diagnosis.

BUT…for any kind of intimate examination of a patient of ANY age, the doctor should have asked first and offered a chaperone. This is in the GMC good practice guidance for ALL doctors.

You should put a complaint in or at the very least raise concerns. I suspect you were seen in a hospital outpatient setting - go via the PALs route as it is the most effective. It is highly unusual that no other staff were there.

my advice is - whenever you see a doctor - firstly check that they are a doctor, ask them their name, grade and specialty (tbh they should do this anyway). I never take offence at this and actually prefer it when patients double check for clarification.

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:14

drspouse · 22/01/2025 16:57

I haven't been asked if I wanted a chaperone when my children have been with me. That's only when you are alone with the doctor.

You might like to read this:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/neurofibromatosis-type-1/symptoms/

This. In my GP surgery you are given the option of a member of staff as chaperone, or your own companion. OP was there to advocate for the child, so why do people think a chaperone was necessary as well ?

Rosscameasdoody · 22/01/2025 17:12

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 16:52

Yes I agree the police need to be called. Even if what he did had a reason (it doesn't) he needed to explain what he was about to do.

Why would you call the police ? He’s a doctor. The choice for chaperone is usually a member of staff or your own companion - the childs’ mother was there to advocate, so why the need for an extra chaperone ? As several people have said, cafe au lait marks on the skin and clusters in the groin area can be signs of other associated conditions. Why not ask a simple question - ‘why are you doing that’? And wait for the answer. The reason is likely totally legitimate but in this case done clumsily - but why jump straight to nonce ? I despair of the way this country is going. When we’ve rendered the medical profession scared to even look at us the wrong way we’re going to end up with sub standard healthcare. What then ? Sue for negligence when it’s our own paranoia that’s responsible?

drspouse · 22/01/2025 16:57

Singlemamabear · 22/01/2025 15:11

There wasn’t

I haven't been asked if I wanted a chaperone when my children have been with me. That's only when you are alone with the doctor.

You might like to read this:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/neurofibromatosis-type-1/symptoms/

nhs.uk

Neurofibromatosis type 1 - Symptoms

The severity of neurofibromatosis type 1 (NF1) can vary considerably. The condition is often mild and causes no serious health problems, but some people experience severe symptoms.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/neurofibromatosis-type-1/symptoms

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 16:53

I had a lump on the top of my leg checked by a man at the hospital and a woman came and sat in.

What the fuck is this man doing opening himself up to this?

drspouse · 22/01/2025 16:53

Certain birth marks can be associated with developmental disorders. I've just read a mum who was asked to note/detail any birth marks on her child for an autism assessment.
I assume these birth marks can be anywhere (my DD had birth marks on her lower back which are common in children of mixed heritage and go away by a certain age normally - which they have with her). They were only visible when her nappy was changed when she was a baby, and though they went away before she was potty trained, they would have been roughly under her pants when she was.
The doctor should have told you, and explained why.

Oreyt · 22/01/2025 16:52

Christmasbear1 · 22/01/2025 15:34

Shouldn't you call the police or am I overreacting? Even if he needed to check her genitals, another female hcp would need to be present surely

Yes I agree the police need to be called. Even if what he did had a reason (it doesn't) he needed to explain what he was about to do.

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