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To have objected to ‘prayers’ at work

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Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 13:56

Will try to keep this brief… Work in a team of 12, 6 in U.K. and 6 in USA ( mid-west) and once a week we have a team meeting that we take turns in running.

Tomorrow is the turn of A. A is a Republican, church goer, voted Trump because she wanted, quote ‘More money in my pocket book and illegals dealt with’.
So far so MAGA. This came up pre-election as she’s the only Trump fan on the team and was open about it.

On the agenda for the meeting is ‘Prayer’ as point one. I pinged manager a note saying what?? A thinks it would be nice to start off with a prayer. As a team. I have asked for it to be OFF the agenda. US manager thinks it’s ‘harmless’ but has said will clarify.

AIBU to think it’s totally inappropriate??? I’m an atheist for a start, most of my U.K. team are the same or at least agnostic.

Seems weird that she’s never tried this before, but suddenly Trump ‘god saved me to MAGA’ is inaugurated and a team prayer is in the agenda.
We are a large global company, BTW, not some local mom & pop outfit that sells bibles…

YANBU - work is secular. She keeps her views and prayers to herself own time.

YABU - lighten up, what harm can it do.

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Mommybunny · 22/01/2025 20:02

Mirabai · 22/01/2025 19:21

Knowing the British it’s probably a joke. From school “prayers” said in the morning.

I dunno, it was a pretty “serious” law firm (though one with a drinks trolley every Friday at 530 sharp 🍷 🤣) with a long history. I did understand there had been actual prayers in times gone by.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 22/01/2025 19:42

Mirabai · 22/01/2025 19:21

Knowing the British it’s probably a joke. From school “prayers” said in the morning.

My guess would be that it has more to do with the fact that "prayer" is also a legal term of longstanding usage.

Mirabai · 22/01/2025 19:21

Mommybunny · 22/01/2025 19:19

I’m an American who thinks this is bonkers fwiw but I worked briefly for a team in a major U.K. law firm just a couple of years ago that had a weekly meeting they called “prayers”. Not a single religious word was spoken but it was an opportunity for the team to brief each other on the matters they were working on, legal developments etc. It was always well attended because breakfast was served. I never knew why it was called “prayers” - I expect it was a vestige of a time when real prayers might have been said.

Knowing the British it’s probably a joke. From school “prayers” said in the morning.

Mommybunny · 22/01/2025 19:19

I’m an American who thinks this is bonkers fwiw but I worked briefly for a team in a major U.K. law firm just a couple of years ago that had a weekly meeting they called “prayers”. Not a single religious word was spoken but it was an opportunity for the team to brief each other on the matters they were working on, legal developments etc. It was always well attended because breakfast was served. I never knew why it was called “prayers” - I expect it was a vestige of a time when real prayers might have been said.

Scammersarescum · 22/01/2025 19:13

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 22/01/2025 17:32

I recently got an email from someone quite high up at a US university that had a Bible verse in their email signature. Just fucking nuts.

Yep that is fucking nuts. For most jobs religion and work do not need to be entwined. Email signatures certainly should not reflect religious leanings.

Top notch username btw

Gwenhwyfar · 22/01/2025 19:07

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 22/01/2025 17:32

I recently got an email from someone quite high up at a US university that had a Bible verse in their email signature. Just fucking nuts.

That's just them expressing their religion though, not forcing it on anybody else.

Gwenhwyfar · 22/01/2025 19:06

MissionBiscuits · 21/01/2025 23:09

Maybe they just didn’t want to listen to a bunch of tone-deaf, drunk people singing loudly?! Especially if it was being held somewhere there might be other people. 🙉

No, because singing was allowed.

Iamthewintersale · 22/01/2025 18:05

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 22/01/2025 17:32

I recently got an email from someone quite high up at a US university that had a Bible verse in their email signature. Just fucking nuts.

‘Under his eye’

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AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 22/01/2025 17:32

I recently got an email from someone quite high up at a US university that had a Bible verse in their email signature. Just fucking nuts.

SinnerBoy · 22/01/2025 17:09

Wouldn't it be a shame if she was downsized because of Trump pulling money away?

SerafinasGoose · 22/01/2025 16:46

Iamthewintersale · 22/01/2025 16:36

Meeting went ahead, no prayers but colleague did manage to mention ‘our new president’ and her optimism for the future… which was immediately shot down by another colleague in the USA as the new edicts around several things are likely to impact their Revenue…
any more is too outing but that solidifies that the prayers are going to have a political tinge to them…

Ugh. You have my sympathies.

I really don't want to have religion or politics dinged in my ears in my workplace, and have no wish to discuss mine with my colleagues. Some people really do need to get to grips with the fact that the world isn't queuing up to hear their opinion.

HorrorFan81 · 22/01/2025 16:43

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/01/2025 14:19

Is that an autocorrect? Do you mean meditation?

Ha yes, should have been meditation

Iamthewintersale · 22/01/2025 16:36

Meeting went ahead, no prayers but colleague did manage to mention ‘our new president’ and her optimism for the future… which was immediately shot down by another colleague in the USA as the new edicts around several things are likely to impact their Revenue…
any more is too outing but that solidifies that the prayers are going to have a political tinge to them…

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SerafinasGoose · 22/01/2025 15:33

Not appropriate in the workplace at all. There are no issues from me with people believing in whatever religion or ideology they want to believe in, or of displaying such overt tokens of that belief system as they see fit. What I do object to is having those beliefs foisted on me.

This is the problem with today's BS 'bringing your whole self to work' schtick. No thanks. My work gets quite enough of my time and dedication as it is. The least I've a right to do is to keep my private thoughts, private beliefs and private behaviour, private. Incidentally, I can imagine how well it would go down if I started bringing pagan rites and practices into my formal meetings. It's not in any way appropriate; Christian prayer no more so.

Bringing your professional self to work is all that is necessary. Expecting others to expend their probably stretched professional energy on your particular spiritual bent, which likely means nothing at all to them but an imposition on their time, is unprofessional.

BettyBardMacDonald · 22/01/2025 15:31

Elphame · 22/01/2025 13:58

I've noticed a definite shift in posts in my SM feeds this week. The hardcore Christian evangelists are really out in force.

I'm deciding whether to stay in one group as the admin has started promoting her favourite charity - Bibles for Asia.

Other groups are suddenly full of "Praise God" type comments too.

I deleted several hobby groups that were full of smug posts praising god for trump. And gleefully gloating about how unhappy the "libs" will be. Sick minds.

Abitofalark · 22/01/2025 15:20

Gonners · 21/01/2025 21:45

I worked for many years for a long-established firm of City solicitors: the early morning meeting was referred to as "partners' prayers". No actual praying was involved!

Yes that happens at senior levels in organisations, where a regular meeting with the top boss is held to enable the partners, directors or equivalent to raise matters or make requests - that's what I understand the reference to 'prayers' to be about.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 22/01/2025 14:35

It’s pretty common for team meetings to have some kind of ‘pause for thought’ type section.

Never heard of such a thing! Breakout groups to discuss one of the agenda points, sure, but no 'general reflection' stuff. What a waste of time.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/01/2025 14:35

But I would say poor MH played a part and at 22 I watched this colleague, and the distain everyone had for them, and told myself Inwill NEVER be that person.

We have one in my team and a super-avoider in the wider organisation. Everyone knows the super-avoider and comment to each other, 'Sue's on another smoke break'. I don't even know what she does but I know her because she smokes outside our entrance!

Weirdly, job satisfaction is mildly heritable, which implies it's at least partly hard-wired. I assume the avoiders are hard-wired to hate all jobs and avoid it wherever possible.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/01/2025 14:19

HorrorFan81 · 22/01/2025 13:28

I work in a very safety focused area and all our meetings start with some kind of 'safety moment' (which could be health and wellbeing focused - our latest one was on road safety in winter).

One of my colleagues keeps trying to get 'mediation moments' in meetings where she guides a 10 minute mediation (I hate mediation but they aren't mandatory so I let people crack on and just daydream for a bit)

A prayer though?? Never in a million years and as an atheist I'd be extremely irritated.

Is that an autocorrect? Do you mean meditation?

Elphame · 22/01/2025 13:58

I've noticed a definite shift in posts in my SM feeds this week. The hardcore Christian evangelists are really out in force.

I'm deciding whether to stay in one group as the admin has started promoting her favourite charity - Bibles for Asia.

Other groups are suddenly full of "Praise God" type comments too.

ScaryM0nster · 22/01/2025 13:49

MzHz · 22/01/2025 12:33

It’s pretty common for team meetings to have some kind of ‘pause for thought’ type section. I've never heard of that at all @ScaryM0nster , and I am OLD.. :D but i suppose it depends on industry etc, though I have been in a few.

Ever come across somewhere that has ‘safety moments’.

They’ve been ‘moved with the time’, and moved further into businesses and beyond just frontline activities.

’Reflection’ is a general bucket label I’ve come across a few times.

HorrorFan81 · 22/01/2025 13:28

I work in a very safety focused area and all our meetings start with some kind of 'safety moment' (which could be health and wellbeing focused - our latest one was on road safety in winter).

One of my colleagues keeps trying to get 'mediation moments' in meetings where she guides a 10 minute mediation (I hate mediation but they aren't mandatory so I let people crack on and just daydream for a bit)

A prayer though?? Never in a million years and as an atheist I'd be extremely irritated.

Whenwillglorioussummercome · 22/01/2025 13:20

I've never worked in a team that could have done this without hysterical laughter ensuing.

They do it on the radio, sure, but again, that not something you have to contractually participate in. Anne Atkins blethering on can be turned off (does she still pop up?) but if she arrived in my team meeting and stuck herself and her views on the formal agenda, it would be quite different.

Iamthewintersale · 22/01/2025 13:03

MzHz · 22/01/2025 12:33

It’s pretty common for team meetings to have some kind of ‘pause for thought’ type section. I've never heard of that at all @ScaryM0nster , and I am OLD.. :D but i suppose it depends on industry etc, though I have been in a few.

I have never ever had this, not in 30 years of working!

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