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To have objected to ‘prayers’ at work

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Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 13:56

Will try to keep this brief… Work in a team of 12, 6 in U.K. and 6 in USA ( mid-west) and once a week we have a team meeting that we take turns in running.

Tomorrow is the turn of A. A is a Republican, church goer, voted Trump because she wanted, quote ‘More money in my pocket book and illegals dealt with’.
So far so MAGA. This came up pre-election as she’s the only Trump fan on the team and was open about it.

On the agenda for the meeting is ‘Prayer’ as point one. I pinged manager a note saying what?? A thinks it would be nice to start off with a prayer. As a team. I have asked for it to be OFF the agenda. US manager thinks it’s ‘harmless’ but has said will clarify.

AIBU to think it’s totally inappropriate??? I’m an atheist for a start, most of my U.K. team are the same or at least agnostic.

Seems weird that she’s never tried this before, but suddenly Trump ‘god saved me to MAGA’ is inaugurated and a team prayer is in the agenda.
We are a large global company, BTW, not some local mom & pop outfit that sells bibles…

YANBU - work is secular. She keeps her views and prayers to herself own time.

YABU - lighten up, what harm can it do.

OP posts:
NoBinturongsHereMate · 21/01/2025 15:12

If prayers do become standard, you could have fun with ones to 'the Lord of Light' that don't slip in the name Lucifer until after the evangelical one has done an amen or 2.

tiaa54742025 · 21/01/2025 15:12

I knew before I opened your thread that it would involve an individual from a foreign country.
YANBU at all, this has no place in a meeting of any group other than a group of like-minded religious individuals.
I too would ask to be excused from this imposition on members of the group by one individual.

slimpicks · 21/01/2025 15:09

I'd ask which faith is leading this week and say I'd like to reserve a spot for a humanist 'thought' next time, or if you are brave Satanist.

BotterMon · 21/01/2025 15:09

Has anyone bothered to message A to inform him/her (as they no longer exists in the US) that it's inappropriate?
Just be late to the meeting - urgent budgie catching required.

Remember when we moved to the midwest in the early 70's, the first question was What do you do and the second, Which church do you attend. My father always answered to #1 "the least amount possible" and to #2 "we're an atheist family" Both answers flew over most people's heads so they just nodded and smiled.

ForPearlViper · 21/01/2025 15:08

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 21/01/2025 15:00

This thread is ridiculous and so is the OP. I think it's just a rant about Trump, what a bore. Enjoy.

OP is raising an issue in the workplace which may contravene UK employment law and asking for advice on how they should act. How is that ridiculous?

I've seen comments on Trumpism but no rants. Perhaps you could define what you perceive to be a 'rant' as opposed to a 'comment' and provide an example of a 'rant' on this thread?

FadedRed · 21/01/2025 15:08

My first response was that this was not appropriate, especially in UK, then I remembered that both UK Houses of Parliament’s daily sessions start with Prayers, so maybe the argument that it is unconstitutional is not quite so correct.

I would protest that, IF prayers/acts of worship are to become a part of your business practice, then it should be multi denominations, including non Christian, and that everyone has the right to refrain from attending, if they chose to, with no recriminations. That should go down like a lead balloon with your American colleagues

A friend of mine once had a job where all meetings started with prayers, but she was PA to an Archbishop, so not unreasonable really.

www.parliament.uk/about/how/business/prayers/

OvertiredandConfused · 21/01/2025 15:08

Another Christian here who thinks it inappropriate. I would suggest that everyone who doesn't want to participate mutes and turns off their camera durng the prayer.

Mary28 · 21/01/2025 15:08

I work for a big multinational and this wouldn't be allowed at all. Check your company policy on it. We literally have training on how this type of thing isn't OK in the office.

samarrange · 21/01/2025 15:06

BlokeHereInPeace · 21/01/2025 14:55

It's interesting; the quarterback in the winning team of a massive football match in the US last night started his post-match interview by thanking his lord and savior Jesus Christ. Personal view, if it' s a 30 second 'may god help us make the right decisions and yadda yadda yadda' then let them get on with it, turn your camera and mic off. If they start wanting responses, then point out that because of UK law they'll need to start their meeting at xx:55 and the rest of you will join at the start time.

I remember the Pakistan cricket team used to thank "Mighty Allah" after every win. They seem to have stopped doing it these days, possibly because somebody pointed out that when they lose (especially to Bangladesh) it suggests that Allah decided to desert them that day. So I wonder what this guy does when his lord and saviour Jesus Christ decided that the other team deserved the win.

I do like your suggestion of scheduling prayer time at X:55. That way Little Miss Pocketbook gets to feel all sanctimonious about supporting a rapist, nobody has to miss any of the actual work time, and everyone will know that the Zoom room is running fine (OP could treat the prayers as the equivalent of "One-Two, Testing"). Bonus points for OP if, when she turns her microphone on at X:59:57, the last few notes of a muezzin's call to prayer can just be faintly heard by everyone.

LittleBigHead · 21/01/2025 15:06

Absolutely inappropriate.

YANBU.

HipToTheHopDontStop · 21/01/2025 15:06

OliveThe0therReindeer · 21/01/2025 14:16

I think you need to separate out three things

  • your dislike of her politics
  • you dislike of her religion
  • Having religious observance during a work meeting

As you work in the Uk you will be aware that people here have freedoms of both religion and political belief. This applies to everyone, even if you don’t agree with them. It’s a fundamental part of human rights here in the Uk and criticising someone for expressing their views is probably a breach of your company policy.

That’s different from the third point, which depends on your company custom and practice, if it’s not mentioned in policy.

If you don’t wish to particulate you can ask your line manager for a respectful way to opt out.

I understand it can be challenging to work with people of different cultures, ethnicities and religions from your own , but it’s important to respect differences and appreciate that a workplace benefits from diversity and acceptance.

Your HR dept might be able to provide some training for you and your team on diversity and inclusion.

Absolute utter nonsense. We do not have to respect differences, we do not have to accept, and we certainly do not need to find a respectful way to opt out.
We need to.inform said person that she's being entirely inappropriate and to remove it from the agenda immediately, and not to try such a thing ever again.

Azandme · 21/01/2025 15:04

‘it's not difficult to be respectful of other people's beliefs. I don't know how long people think a prayer will take, but I've never known a prayer in a meeting to take more than 30 seconds.’

You're right, it's not, so why are you advocating for one person to be allowed to disrespect the beliefs of all non-Christian or atheist people in that meeting?

Respect goes both ways - and subjecting others to your beliefs is disrespectful to theirs.

Phthia · 21/01/2025 15:04

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 21/01/2025 14:26

And the US Manager has said 'it's harmless'.

I have not the slightest care what the OP does but I think she's foolish to make an issue of something she could so easily not participate in/excuse herself from.

We're all different. I'm not into drama at work.

But how does the manager know it's harmless? For all he knows, a number of participants would be deeply offended. It's dangerous to give religious loons free rein on this sort of thing anyway, before you know it they'll be praying loudly to save their rivals within the team from the fiery pit of hell for which they are surely destined, and you'll have open warfare.

Sportacus17 · 21/01/2025 15:04

mute your mic

leave camera on

don Mongolian Shaman costume

quietly perform shamanistic ritual dance with a completely straight face in full view of camera.

Phthia · 21/01/2025 15:02

OneAmberFinch · 21/01/2025 14:23

Join camera off and use it as a coffee break. Perhaps encourage her to really spend as much time as she needs on this very important issue ;)

No, leave camera on and ostentatiously slurp coffee whilst carrying on with your work, preferably involving a lot of noisy shuffling of papers, stapling things and hole punching.

MadeInBarnstaple · 21/01/2025 15:01

Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 14:37

A Hail Mary would tip her over the edge. She’s in one of those evangelical type, the pope is a false prophet type churches.
Fuck it, if this goes ahead I’m doing a Hail Mary in Latin. I can just about remember it from school…

Video meeting? If so either:
a) put up a crucifix prominently behind you and dramatically make the sign of the cross as she begins and ends
or
b) make some signs and hold them up Love Actually style, throughout her prayer. Messages along the lines of “Alleluia”, “Praise the Lord!”, so you can’t be accused of making fun of her. You might be able to slip in a “Heavens to Betsy!” and plead ignorance.

If grilled afterwards say that you’ve been banned from taking part in organised religion so you wanted to make the most of the opportunity.

Whippetlovely · 21/01/2025 15:01

It wouldn't offend me but I believe in God. Workplace however is not the place to pray especially pushing views on others I don't think that's appropriate. She is allowed to support any president she chooses though, you sound rather condescending.

Bamboozledbylife · 21/01/2025 15:01

Wtf. Nope. You cannot in a professional meeting force this on colleagues...
If it goes ahead, I'd have Internet connectivity problems..

Etheldred · 21/01/2025 15:00

SilenceInside · 21/01/2025 14:28

He did that in the official residence, if he'd have done it in a business meeting it would have been inappropriate.

There are prayers at the start of each day in the Houses of Commons and Lords but attendance is not compulsory link. By tradition the members face the wall, maybe the op could follow this tradition.

More seriously, I'm a Christian but would find this totally inappropriate (Matthew 6 www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zkw2vk7/revision/2

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 15:00

Mirabai · 21/01/2025 14:47

This is simply US vs U.K./European culture. Americans talk about God a lot, even at work, particularly at work. Sometimes they pray at work. If it’s a US owned company I would just put it on ignore as you will not win against the God squad.

It may be an American company but it’s an international business. If they want the trade benefits of working in other territories then they adapt, not impose.

CleverLemonCat · 21/01/2025 15:00

Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 14:29

Well, it’s a video call so I suppose I sit there and listen to her thank god for Trump or whatever the hell she wants to pray about????

Can you turn the sound off? And hope that it doesnt end with an Elon Musk salute! By the way, as a Christian myself, I think it's totally inappropriate.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 21/01/2025 15:00

This thread is ridiculous and so is the OP. I think it's just a rant about Trump, what a bore. Enjoy.

Phthia · 21/01/2025 14:59

You're working with colleagues in the US for whom this is important. You could make a point but why? How would it serve you?

It can't be that important if they've never done it before.

Nanny0gg · 21/01/2025 14:58

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 21/01/2025 14:26

And the US Manager has said 'it's harmless'.

I have not the slightest care what the OP does but I think she's foolish to make an issue of something she could so easily not participate in/excuse herself from.

We're all different. I'm not into drama at work.

It could set an unwanted precedent

Notgivenuphope · 21/01/2025 14:58

As a devout Christian, I think this is inappropriate. The workplace is not a place for public prayer.