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To have objected to ‘prayers’ at work

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Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 13:56

Will try to keep this brief… Work in a team of 12, 6 in U.K. and 6 in USA ( mid-west) and once a week we have a team meeting that we take turns in running.

Tomorrow is the turn of A. A is a Republican, church goer, voted Trump because she wanted, quote ‘More money in my pocket book and illegals dealt with’.
So far so MAGA. This came up pre-election as she’s the only Trump fan on the team and was open about it.

On the agenda for the meeting is ‘Prayer’ as point one. I pinged manager a note saying what?? A thinks it would be nice to start off with a prayer. As a team. I have asked for it to be OFF the agenda. US manager thinks it’s ‘harmless’ but has said will clarify.

AIBU to think it’s totally inappropriate??? I’m an atheist for a start, most of my U.K. team are the same or at least agnostic.

Seems weird that she’s never tried this before, but suddenly Trump ‘god saved me to MAGA’ is inaugurated and a team prayer is in the agenda.
We are a large global company, BTW, not some local mom & pop outfit that sells bibles…

YANBU - work is secular. She keeps her views and prayers to herself own time.

YABU - lighten up, what harm can it do.

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Butchyrestingface · 21/01/2025 15:53

Fartypants83 · 21/01/2025 15:50

Most people aren't atheists and don't agree belief can be split from their being, whether in the workplace or not. People can't leave thier beliefs or philosophies at the door.

Just go along with it and then move on if you don't like it.

She doesn't need to leave them at the door. She just needs to keep them in her head for the duration of the call. Much like her colleagues who think she's a Trumpet lovin', dingbat, bigoted MAGA twat will be keeping THOSE thoughts in their heads too. 🙂

reichs79 · 21/01/2025 15:53

WTF? No way, totally inappropriate for a professional setting.

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 15:52

Fartypants83 · 21/01/2025 15:50

Most people aren't atheists and don't agree belief can be split from their being, whether in the workplace or not. People can't leave thier beliefs or philosophies at the door.

Just go along with it and then move on if you don't like it.

They can have it in their soul/brains/body and it will likely inform their actions or decisions in some ways but they can keep the performance of it to the appropriate venues.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 21/01/2025 15:51

You are right to object to starting a business meeting with a Christian prayer, or any prayer. It's not inclusive, it's not appropriate and it's not necessary.

Who she voted for is completely irrelevant but it's interesting and very telling that you felt the need to set the whole AIBU about the prayer up with a moan about her being a Trump supporter.

I wonder if you'd be making so much of a fuss about the prayer if she'd been a Democrat?

she wanted, quote ‘More money in my pocket book and illegals dealt with’.

Has anyone in the history of elections ever voted for less money in their pocket and more illegal immigrants coming in and going undealt with? I doubt it.

Fartypants83 · 21/01/2025 15:50

Most people aren't atheists and don't agree belief can be split from their being, whether in the workplace or not. People can't leave thier beliefs or philosophies at the door.

Just go along with it and then move on if you don't like it.

Wilfrida1 · 21/01/2025 15:50

I am a practising Christian but would never want this at a work meeting. I would respect my colleagues’ feelings and expect them to do the same for mine. There is no place for any public prayers, to any deity, that are right in this meeting.

She is in the wrong, her beliefs are hers and hers alone.

She is riding on Trump’s coat tails.

Elphame · 21/01/2025 15:49

Totally inappropriate.

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 15:49

Whenwillglorioussummercome · 21/01/2025 15:44

Even within this context, the continuing existence of Commons prayers remains controversial as Members must be in their seats for Prayers to claim them for the session. So on busy days when seats are in demand, they need to be present for them, even if they don't participate. There have been repeated attempts to remove Prayers as a standing item on the Orders of the Day; in fact, the most recent was in the news just last week. I think their days are numbered really.

MPs acting against Commons’ prayer seating privilege

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I hope so, long overdue. We shouldn’t still be beholden to Henry or Cromwell’s (either of them) shenanigans, as if any of it had much to do with the faith side of it all anyway. They got their land and trinkets. Time to move on.

Doggymummar · 21/01/2025 15:47

My husband works for one of the big 4 banks and they have done some bat shit stuff in the name of inclusion but I don't think they would even try this. Although all the us employees had the day off yesterday, but maybe it was a public holiday

Ponderingwindow · 21/01/2025 15:47

to everyone saying respect cultural differences, this is not an accepted practice in the United States. Group prayer during meetings does not happen in secular workplaces. It would happen at a religious school, a church, or a faith-based charity, but not a regular workplace.

there may be a space at the office where people can go pray or reflect. My own office has a room that has the compass directions marked, enough floor space if someone wanted to be on the ground, a nice chair, and some comfy poof things. You could kneel towards Mecca, say a Catholic prayer, meditate, or just take a few quiet minutes to yourself.

Butchyrestingface · 21/01/2025 15:47

A Hail Mary would tip her over the edge. She’s in one of those evangelical type, the pope is a false prophet type churches.

I'm very lapsed Catholic and wouldn't take too kindly to being led in prayer by a Catholic hater.

Looks like she's gonna piss everyone off. Fun times. 😀

ThatRosePanda · 21/01/2025 15:45

Have you a HR to bring this too? It’s wildly inappropriate. Personally I would refuse to attend any work meeting where someone was allowed to force their religious beliefs on me.

JimHalpertsWife · 21/01/2025 15:44

Growlybear83 · 21/01/2025 15:44

But prayers would probably take 30 seconds!

It's irrelevant how long it takes. There is no reason for anyone to made to listen to a prayer in their workplace, unless they work in a religious setting.

Whenwillglorioussummercome · 21/01/2025 15:44

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 15:20

Indicating that the prayers are in addition to the working day, not included within it, for example as the first item on the agenda at PM questions or committees, which is a good analogy to what the OPs colleague is suggesting.

I mean, I rather they didn’t, but slotting it in before/after work in a place that people can choose to go or not is a work around.

Even within this context, the continuing existence of Commons prayers remains controversial as Members must be in their seats for Prayers to claim them for the session. So on busy days when seats are in demand, they need to be present for them, even if they don't participate. There have been repeated attempts to remove Prayers as a standing item on the Orders of the Day; in fact, the most recent was in the news just last week. I think their days are numbered really.

MPs acting against Commons’ prayer seating privilege

Growlybear83 · 21/01/2025 15:44

heyhopotato · 21/01/2025 15:40

Let's say for argument's sake everyone is on £25 an hour and praying takes 10 mins.
For 12 of you at one meeting a week that's costing them £2k a year on prayer time.
If all 1,000 people just in your division do it that's six figures a year lost.

But prayers would probably take 30 seconds!

Jasmin71 · 21/01/2025 15:43

I would be arriving late to that particular meeting , absolutely bonkers and totally offensive.

Goodluckanddontfitup · 21/01/2025 15:42

I agree it’s inappropriate, a work place should be impartial about religion, not a certain one prioritised in a professional meeting. If she is being allowed to do it, I would pop a message to say that as you are not religious will not be partaking in the prayer, so can someone message you when it’s over and you will join the call then?

UnderFadedSkies · 21/01/2025 15:41

I was really expecting a YABU. From the title, I thought OP would be complaining about someone else getting time to pray or praying openly at work, but no—that is unhinged. YANBU. I wouldn’t partake, and I don’t think it’s an acceptable ask or reflects well on the company’s EDI situation.

heyhopotato · 21/01/2025 15:40

Let's say for argument's sake everyone is on £25 an hour and praying takes 10 mins.
For 12 of you at one meeting a week that's costing them £2k a year on prayer time.
If all 1,000 people just in your division do it that's six figures a year lost.

Scandicc · 21/01/2025 15:40

Azandme · 21/01/2025 14:18

. Posted twice - no idea how!

Edited

I think it was Jesus himself!

Kate8889 · 21/01/2025 15:39

I would ask that it be changed to "meditation time" or "quiet moment" so it can everyone can easily participate no matter their faith.

Kate8889 · 21/01/2025 15:38

MabelMaybe · 21/01/2025 14:02

If it goes ahead, fine your inner Quaker. Sit in silence for 5 minutes at the next meeting.

Love this. Quakers had it right in some respects.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/01/2025 15:37

Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 13:57

PS I work with a lot of US people so am quite used to them dropping in comments about their church, or bible study or the whole ‘god bless ‘Merica’ thing but this feels much more intrusive to me.

Let the US people do this before the UK people join the meeting. Expecting everyone to join in with (I presume) Christian prayers is completely inappropriate.

I bet this colleague would have a few words to say if a Muslim member of the team expected everyone to join in with their prayers.

BlitheSpirits · 21/01/2025 15:36

Is your US office in the 'bible belt'? I worked in Georgia for a while, and this sort of thing wasnt uncommon.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 21/01/2025 15:36

I am a Christian and even I find this inappropriate