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To have objected to ‘prayers’ at work

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Iamthewintersale · 21/01/2025 13:56

Will try to keep this brief… Work in a team of 12, 6 in U.K. and 6 in USA ( mid-west) and once a week we have a team meeting that we take turns in running.

Tomorrow is the turn of A. A is a Republican, church goer, voted Trump because she wanted, quote ‘More money in my pocket book and illegals dealt with’.
So far so MAGA. This came up pre-election as she’s the only Trump fan on the team and was open about it.

On the agenda for the meeting is ‘Prayer’ as point one. I pinged manager a note saying what?? A thinks it would be nice to start off with a prayer. As a team. I have asked for it to be OFF the agenda. US manager thinks it’s ‘harmless’ but has said will clarify.

AIBU to think it’s totally inappropriate??? I’m an atheist for a start, most of my U.K. team are the same or at least agnostic.

Seems weird that she’s never tried this before, but suddenly Trump ‘god saved me to MAGA’ is inaugurated and a team prayer is in the agenda.
We are a large global company, BTW, not some local mom & pop outfit that sells bibles…

YANBU - work is secular. She keeps her views and prayers to herself own time.

YABU - lighten up, what harm can it do.

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whyhere · 21/01/2025 18:01

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 17:49

Totally beside the point. But now when anyone says in a largely women’s space ‘I’m an Anglican Priest’ I will gasp and think ‘are you Lisa????!!” If you are not Lisa I get the impression that she would be wholeheartedly with you on this.

(I’m referencing The Traitors in case your thinking WHAT is this loon blathering on about)

Ha ha! No, I'm not Lisa, but I am watching the Traitors!

CulturalNomad · 21/01/2025 18:00

OP is just your standard anti American nonsense that MN eats up regardless of how absolutely idiotic it is. "So far so Maga" "'Merica" etc. it's blatantly ridiculous and makes no sense but won't stop ten pages of people believing it.

I agree. For the umpteenth time...

Under US law this hypothetical person has no legal right to pray out loud before a meeting. And the law is very clear that no employee can be forced to participate in any religious observance during the course of their work day.

And yet the US based manager supposedly thinks it's "harmless"🤔

Nah.

CatsWhiskerz · 21/01/2025 18:00

Bloody ridiculous - completely inappropriate

derxa · 21/01/2025 17:59

AllCatAndABagOfChips · 21/01/2025 17:43

No, not at all. I might know if someone is a Muslim because they follow certain dress or take specific holidays off but a Christian? Not a chance. Most people celebrate Christmas and most people don't discuss their religion at work. I know a friend at work is a Christian because we've discussed it in privately out of work but I wouldn't have a clue about anyone else.

I certainly don't know how she's had these conversations about "illegals" with this woman repeatedly in America over work zoom meetings?

The OP is just your standard anti American nonsense that MN eats up regardless of how absolutely idiotic it is. "So far so Maga" "'Merica" etc. it's blatantly ridiculous and makes no sense but won't stop ten pages of people believing it.

Totally agree

cansu · 21/01/2025 17:56

Olivetheotherreindeer
The OP does not need training. It is inappropriate to be bringing prayer into a work meeting. Being free to have a faith does not mean forcing it on others. The woman in question can pray at home or in her head or in a private office or outside but what she can't do is put it on a work place agenda. Perhaps you need some training yourself?

Sothatsalrighthen · 21/01/2025 17:54

‘Pray all the time myself silently in private as I go about my day, ‘am RC but NO YANBU!

RockOrAHardplace · 21/01/2025 17:53

Oh difficult one. I personally know you need to accommodate diversity but I think that you should keep politics and religion out of the workplace where possible. And also, the employment laws in this country are different to the USA so I think you need to check with HR on that one.

My personal response would be just that, I would accept the meeting request, with comments to the effect that I prefer to keep religion and politics out of the workplace but am happy to accommodate the needs of others. As such if she feels it appropriate to go ahead with a prayer, please don't think I am being disrespectful if I do not join in and if this is to become a regular feature, then it needs to rotate around the different religions represented within the group to be fully inclusive.

And if I was drunk when I was writing it, I would add that I am a practising nudist and look forward to everyone joining me in my prayers when its my turn.

stichguru · 21/01/2025 17:51

As a Christian, it would be nice if the workplace had a place where people (of any faiths) could go for a quiet prayer, but I would never think of making the office pray, or even praying for them!

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 21/01/2025 17:50

No. There are plenty of people who have been psychologically damaged by experiences with religion. It is wrong to bring in a practice that might be stressful, or alienating, for some.

MurdoMunro · 21/01/2025 17:49

whyhere · 21/01/2025 17:30

Anglican priest here. Completely inappropriate - complain to HR.

Totally beside the point. But now when anyone says in a largely women’s space ‘I’m an Anglican Priest’ I will gasp and think ‘are you Lisa????!!” If you are not Lisa I get the impression that she would be wholeheartedly with you on this.

(I’m referencing The Traitors in case your thinking WHAT is this loon blathering on about)

TightlyLacedCorset · 21/01/2025 17:49

I frankly doubt the validity of this one.

It might have been believable if the OP hadn't also made particular pains to paint the supposed Christian as a stereotypical immigrant hating, Trump loving, Maga waving alt-right Republican.

People fall for these sorts of threads because they want them to be true so it can put a tick box against all their hidden biases.

Travelodge · 21/01/2025 17:48

cheezncrackers · 21/01/2025 13:59

I think it's totally inappropriate. People's personal beliefs have no place in the workplace (unless that workplace is e.g. a church, mosque or whatever).

If this item stays in the agenda I would turn my camera off and absent myself until it was over.

Or leave camera on to show an empty chair (you can hide out sight - that way you’d know when it’s over).

nobczno · 21/01/2025 17:47

Go into a 10-minute Hare Krishna mantra. They won't do it again. 😆

AliasGrace47 · 21/01/2025 17:46

Good on you OP. I assumed this thread might be about fundamental Muslims, as I'd just been on one. & this is a reminder that any fundamental religion is dangerous , depending on degree as to how dangerous. We need to keep an eye on the Christian Nationalists, and no inch should be given. They don't want secularism, they homeschool children in extreme ways (I support homeschooling btw), they support male authority & female obedience, some even want the vote going & marital rape to be allowed (look at Phyllis Schlafly's views on marital rape, & she wasn't that extreme compared to Christian Nationalists).
I'm an agnostic, I still attend church & value religion for many things, but Marx was right on some things, to some extreme extent it can def be a dangerous drug.

BettyBardMacDonald · 21/01/2025 17:46

Flux1 · 21/01/2025 17:34

Totally inappropriate. Tell them to let you and your team know once they have finished praying and are ready to work and then you will join the meeting.

No. This lets "them" prevail.

That's how we are ending up with a right-wing, superstition-fueled, authoritarian world. Because the non-batshit are too polite and too tolerant of those who are trying to force their religion, bigotry and extreme ideologies ologies into the public sphere.

Call your Human Resources department and escalate.

steff13 · 21/01/2025 17:46

Mirabai · 21/01/2025 14:47

This is simply US vs U.K./European culture. Americans talk about God a lot, even at work, particularly at work. Sometimes they pray at work. If it’s a US owned company I would just put it on ignore as you will not win against the God squad.

What state do you live in?

Whenwillglorioussummercome · 21/01/2025 17:45

Parliament is a workplace but those taking part in the Prayers are not employees of the workplace!

Jetstream · 21/01/2025 17:45

What? Trump isn’t even religious. It’s all fake news to woo ‘religious’ idiots.
just say no not doing it. My religion of the spaghetti flying monster forbids it. Or something.
Also remind her the first commandment includes ‘Thou shall not have strange gods before me’. In relation to her adoration of Trump.

DownwardDuck · 21/01/2025 17:45

I am a Brit living in the US. Its very cringe and wholly inappropriate but doesn't really surprise me.

The number of times I have been "blessed" by strangers.

Efrogwraig · 21/01/2025 17:45

This is plain silly. Just say no. As previously said it's "performative religion". US guarantees separation of church & state. That includes the workplace.

diamondpony80 · 21/01/2025 17:44

I'm a Christian and I pray but would never expect this in the workplace. Anyone who wants to pray can do so privately without imposing their beliefs on others.

AllCatAndABagOfChips · 21/01/2025 17:43

No, not at all. I might know if someone is a Muslim because they follow certain dress or take specific holidays off but a Christian? Not a chance. Most people celebrate Christmas and most people don't discuss their religion at work. I know a friend at work is a Christian because we've discussed it in privately out of work but I wouldn't have a clue about anyone else.

I certainly don't know how she's had these conversations about "illegals" with this woman repeatedly in America over work zoom meetings?

The OP is just your standard anti American nonsense that MN eats up regardless of how absolutely idiotic it is. "So far so Maga" "'Merica" etc. it's blatantly ridiculous and makes no sense but won't stop ten pages of people believing it.

VonHally · 21/01/2025 17:43

Are the Houses of Parliament a workplace? There is a prayer said in both houses, but participation is voluntary. Shouldn't that practise be scrapped entirely given the multitudes of faiths and none represented there, even if joining in is not mandatory?

It starts at the top. Not sure of the drill in the House of Reps or the Senate in the US.

Abitofalark · 21/01/2025 17:38

I remember going to a meeting with councillors at my borough council over a planning application - it was open to the public. The meeting started with one of the councillors, a rabbi, saying a prayer. It was a surprise to me but just thought it must be a traditional practice.

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