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The brainlessness of an English Tutor. Fuming

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crazymomma93 · 20/01/2025 19:22

Long time lurker, please bear with me.
My DD12 has been having some issues with her reading book. It has been making her feel uncomfortable, from the Genre and style of writing. So I have looked into it, got a jist of the book, she has pointed out some bits that made her uneasy and I looked up the age rating which was 14+. Now typically if you knew me, you would know I am not "that Mom" but I emailed her Form Tutor to ask if there was an alternative. Tutor emailed back after talking to English dept and DD dosn't need to read the book any longer, she can bring in her own. No problem. My DD has just told me she spoke with her own English Tutor, the day before I sent the email to tell her Form Tutor. After listening to DD, English Tutor responds "it's just words"
ITS JUST WORDS? Sorry is that not pretty much the Tutors whole career, teaching English?
I need calming because I am close to emailing said teacher calling her a c**t, because, you know "it's just words". See how her feelings are when she reads something that makes her uncomfortable.
My DD turned to her to ask because the book was making her uneasy and that is the response. What about children who get verbally bullied? Where is this Womans morals. AIBU?

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GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 06:27

The Holocaust Memorial Trust advises against using it in the classroom.
In some schools (in America mainly I think) it’s done via the History department.
The writer did absolutely no research in support of the writing
Interviews with children who have read the book make clear that it does have an impact on their knowledge about the Holocaust.
For age appropriate, well researched, well written books about this awful aspect of history check out the work of Tom Palmer. He also does free talks to schools on his work for Holocaust Memorial Day.

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 23:52

Incidentally I feel the pain with stupid people confusing fact and fiction. I'm Scottish and some of my countrymen are thick enough to believe Braveheart was a documentary. But hey can't fix stupid.😂

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 23:50

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 23:36

Just to add, on the subject of historical fiction, most people get their ‘knowledge’ of history from public history. And indeed there are many examples of inaccuracies, romanticisation and misrepresentation in historical fiction. And a lot of it doesn’t matter — regency romances are just romances in fancy dress, for example. But I’d argue that it really does matter how children are taught about the holocaust, which is why a book aimed at children should not be a friendship fable in concentration camp fancy dress.

Again, be sensible. If you were to read the majority of fictional history of many important events they are littered with complete fiction. Read anything aimed at the American market, and if it were to be believed they won the war single handed.

Or read what were probably the best known of WW2 fictional books when I was growing up, written by Sven Hassel. Tales of daring do by German soldiers, written while Hassel was a prisoner during that time.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 23:36

Just to add, on the subject of historical fiction, most people get their ‘knowledge’ of history from public history. And indeed there are many examples of inaccuracies, romanticisation and misrepresentation in historical fiction. And a lot of it doesn’t matter — regency romances are just romances in fancy dress, for example. But I’d argue that it really does matter how children are taught about the holocaust, which is why a book aimed at children should not be a friendship fable in concentration camp fancy dress.

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 23:29

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 23:17

A type of public history, yes.

Not saying it’s academic history, but it is a genre of historical writing.

Would that genre be historical fiction?

Desciption of the word fiction rom the OED:
literature in the form of prose that describes imaginary events and people.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 23:17

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 22/01/2025 22:59

Historical fiction is a type of public history. That’s a fact.

Bridgerton and Outlander are seen as actual history???

Or all the alternative reality books?

A type of public history, yes.

Not saying it’s academic history, but it is a genre of historical writing.

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 23:10

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 22/01/2025 22:59

Historical fiction is a type of public history. That’s a fact.

Bridgerton and Outlander are seen as actual history???

Or all the alternative reality books?

My thoughts exactly. 😂

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 22/01/2025 22:59

Historical fiction is a type of public history. That’s a fact.

Bridgerton and Outlander are seen as actual history???

Or all the alternative reality books?

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 22:56

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 22:19

Oh come on. There are thousands if not millions of fictional books set in times gone by, that are not accurate. It is in no way offered up as a learning tool. You name the subject, there will be a fictional book that those knowledgeable in it that will be able to quote inaccuracies within it.

The point that the child in question is already being exposed to far more brutal historical events than what was in the school book she is reading, or the book 'the boy in striped pyjamas', which is what you brought up, is entirely relevant.

Historical fiction is a type of public history. That’s a fact.

The poster who initially brought up The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas described it as a means to learn about history.

Your final paragraph shows no understanding of why people including holocaust historians and holocaust memorial institutions regard The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas as damaging to holocaust education. It also shows that you have not comprehended what the OP thought she was objecting to about the original book she mentioned.

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 22:19

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 22:09

That’s a bit disingenuous. Historical fiction is a form of history writing.

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say about exposure to descriptions of violence and torture, as I don’t think it has anything to do with the point I was making.

Oh come on. There are thousands if not millions of fictional books set in times gone by, that are not accurate. It is in no way offered up as a learning tool. You name the subject, there will be a fictional book that those knowledgeable in it that will be able to quote inaccuracies within it.

The point that the child in question is already being exposed to far more brutal historical events than what was in the school book she is reading, or the book 'the boy in striped pyjamas', which is what you brought up, is entirely relevant.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 22/01/2025 22:16

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 22/01/2025 14:24

Age 14+ when the kids are 12.....
There's a big difference between those two years

But it's rated at 12 in other places...

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 22:09

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 17:45

But the book was never written as history. As far as descriptions of violence and torture. The twelve year old child will be getting exposed to this in history class anyway. Not just the holocaust, but much of history is taken up with wars and chopping wives heads off etc.

That’s a bit disingenuous. Historical fiction is a form of history writing.

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say about exposure to descriptions of violence and torture, as I don’t think it has anything to do with the point I was making.

Bogartme · 22/01/2025 20:47

OP, you said you are a long time lurker, so if this is your first post, other sections than aibu do have some more thorough conversations without all the goodness me and eye rolling (but less traffic, I'm sure you know both of those things). I think it's an interesting subject personally.

FOXYMORON1707 · 22/01/2025 20:22

Goodness me - Are you okay? Like what a nonsense poor teachers no wonder they leave the profession. This has enraged you like its caused you inner rage and wanting to verbally abuse a teacher. You are one of those Mum’s I think you have taken what the teacher said out of context and are making a drama. Get some real problems.

user1473878824 · 22/01/2025 18:18

ruethewhirl · 21/01/2025 17:50

And you sound like a misogynist.

Why, can men not fuss?

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 17:45

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 15:51

You’re an adult though. You had context before you started the book. Children of an age to read this almost certainly don’t.

Historians and Holocaust memorial organisations have criticised the book as damaging. I know school level history teachers who refuse to recommend it on the basis of its inaccuracy.

But the book was never written as history. As far as descriptions of violence and torture. The twelve year old child will be getting exposed to this in history class anyway. Not just the holocaust, but much of history is taken up with wars and chopping wives heads off etc.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 15:51

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You’re an adult though. You had context before you started the book. Children of an age to read this almost certainly don’t.

Historians and Holocaust memorial organisations have criticised the book as damaging. I know school level history teachers who refuse to recommend it on the basis of its inaccuracy.

mikado1 · 22/01/2025 15:50

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Same!! 😆 I don't know whose son he is! I was the one with Forever under my pillow!!

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NewFriendlyLadybird · 22/01/2025 15:29

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For a start, there weren’t any 9 year old boys in Auschwirz as they would have been gassed immediaely
Certainly wouldn’t have been able to wander about and make friends with the commandant’s son.
Humanises Bruno’s father
Trivialises the holocaust and the regime
Focus on the tragic accidental death of one little boy. No sense of the millions of Jews who died.

Wasptv · 22/01/2025 15:19

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