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any professional actors about? Do you think you can be taught

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PintersPint · 20/01/2025 14:07

how to act? I mean obviously you can be taught to a degree as otherwise drama schools wouldn't exist.

What I mean is 'if you have someone with no natural talent at all, can you teach a person like that to be a good actor'?

To get into a drama school in the first place, you need to audition. So I'm assuming that their starting crop have a degree of natural talent to start with.

Do you think it's possible to teach someone with no natural talent to act? and if you do think that, what kind of things would form the basis of the teaching?

Where would you recommend someone go/what kind of things to do/ to learn the basic building blocks? Private tutor (how do you find a good one?) or group classes (where?)

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PintersPint · 21/01/2025 17:41

@purpleme12 are you a professional actor/have had acting lessons/ working in that field or is that just a lay opinion? I'm interested in the views of people who have experience of this and been through it/seen it taught to a high standard.

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PintersPint · 21/01/2025 17:38

Because OP is being really snippy with anyone who dares to ask why they are asking?

No I'm not. I've asked a straight forward question that is theoretical and most of the questions are irrelevant to the basic question.

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purpleme12 · 21/01/2025 17:26

I don't think you can teach someone with no natural talent to act no

usernamesaretoohardtothinkof · 21/01/2025 17:22

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 20/01/2025 16:40

I really don't know why so many on this thread are being so snooty about OP's query—acting is a good, fun thing for anyone to do, they don't have to be aiming to be Meryl bloody Streep.

I'm a huge advocate of am dram and community theatre—just like school plays, they can be absolutely life-changing and life-affirming projects to get involved in.

Because OP is being really snippy with anyone who dares to ask why they are asking? God forbid people might be interested, or want to be as helpful as possible.

PintersPint · 21/01/2025 17:15

@HPandthelastwish thank you for that - I clicked on your link but just saw the front page. I hadn't clicked through to the individual segments with the lists of what is taught. Thanks that was very interesting.

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mondaynity · 21/01/2025 16:59

There is a difference OP. To be a professional actor you need physical and mental resilience, for example to go through audition rounds, cope with rejection, cope with performing 8 shows a week, potentially physical work, vocal work etc, learn lines quickly, adapt and be versatile. Whilst amateurs actors need far less of this - a couple of rehearsals a week and then 7 shows. So many of the skills do not overlap.

To be a successful actor you also need to be cast-able, so that will mean people wanting to work with you, to be in a room with you, you being a generous and supportive ensemble member, and taking direction well.

Acting is as much about how well you fit into a team as what you alone do with your face, voice and body while you are "acting". Hence 3 years training will teach that. Or every weekend part-time or whatever.

HPandthelastwish · 21/01/2025 16:44

I literally posted a link to a beginners drama class last night, it lists the skills that they teach, and then the next level course and the skills that teaches and so on.

But yes, to your theoretical question I believe with the right theoretical training and with significant theoretical dedication and theoretical determination that you can become an excellent theoretical actor. Without either of those things and just natural flare I don't think you would make the theoretically big time.

PintersPint · 21/01/2025 16:36

Asking about what skills you need and what the building blocks are etc, the answer is the same - you need to practice and do proper training. We can't just tell you how to be an accomplished actor on this thread in the same way we can't teach you how to drive. You need to practice and / or train depending on your outcome.

The question is - what is the actual training and does it 'work' for those with no natural instinct.

Driving is not the same as that is a very teachable skill as it has no unquantifable 'art' to it (not talking about professional racing driver. If someone asked could someone with no natural ability become a good driver and if so how, the answer would be -
Yes.
The first step would be to get some lessons. They will teach you things like -
safety checks before you start the car; how to turn on the car; how to move the car forward, how to brake, how to indicate safely to other users your intended moves, and so. Then once you have those building blocks you will need to get lots of practice and this is best done on quite roads until you get your confidence and so forth. Then take a test. Then after that you can do an advanced driving course.

You start with the training (but the issue is what form does the training take and what can it teach you first) and then practice.

Suggesting just going to am-dram groups is like saying just go and have a go at driving without knowing what you are doing.

There are so many variables and without more details I am not quite sure what you are asking OP. If you could be less cryptic people might be able to offer targeted advice? E.g. do you wish to train, and get an agent an work professionally? How old are you? Do you work or are you a student? Could you train full time? What is your acting experience so far? Do you have any non-professional credits? Do you have a showreel?

None of this is relevant because it isn't about being a professional actor or having a show reel. It is just a theoretical question about can you take a person with no natural ability (or instinct - someone who at the start would be actively 'bad') and teach them to act well or does it require some charisma/spark natural talent.

It is really weird the way some posters are focussed on the why/what/who aspect of a theoretical question. It's like someone asking 'do you think you could teach someone with no talent and no experience to be a good artist ?' and getting the responses well how old are you, do you have a portfolio, have you painted before. That question can be answered yes because painting and drawing is very formulaic and you start with learning to draw which can be taught, light and shade, etc etc. You would need to have a professional teacher and then practice but these are the types of things that you learn (list)

To answer the questions you have asked:

E.g. do you wish to train, and get an agent an work professionally? No. It is a theoretical quesiton. It is not about me. I do not want to work professionally. It is not about anyone working professionally. It is just about skill attainment for the sake of skill attainment.

How old are you? Not relevant because it's not about me it's about whether its teachable but for the purposes of the question assume a person a bit older so looking at pure 'skill teaching' rather than a more malleable 'learn on the job' child actor. Say for the sake of argument someone about 30 - a formed adult out of student life. Or even younger 21 even - but I think with very young children making them do something can give a level of skill inherently from 'learning on the job' and that's not what I'm asking about. My question is about teaching acting to a not good beginner cold from scratch.

Do you work or are you a student? Could you train full time? ????
Assume someone willing to train and with the time available to do that either full time or part time. Again this just isn't relevant to the basic question of whether the skill is learnable BECAUSE IT IS NOT ABOUT ME. It's like saying 'can you teach someone French' and answering 'well it could you do it full time or are you working?'. It's irrelevant because that's about the time available to learn and NOT the question which is can it be taught.

What is your acting experience so far? Not about me. I would have thought it was clear that I was talking about an absolute beginner. I suppose given the comments above about building blocks, assume someone who has tried once or twice and was bad/no natural talent so that's how we know.

Do you have any non-professional credits? Do you have a showreel?
The questions is about an absolute beginner with no experience (save to the extent required some evidence that they are bad/no natural talent).

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mondaynity · 21/01/2025 11:15

There are so many variables and without more details I am not quite sure what you are asking OP. If you could be less cryptic people might be able to offer targeted advice? E.g. do you wish to train, and get an agent an work professionally? How old are you? Do you work or are you a student? Could you train full time? What is your acting experience so far? Do you have any non-professional credits? Do you have a showreel?
Or do you wish to do am dram but improve your acting skills before you do so?
If you wish to act professionally and actually earn money / make a career you'll do better with professional representation and to get that you need to train at a drama school to then be part of a showcase where agents come and watch.
If you wish to be a better amateur actor then you need to practice, do as many shows and plays as you can, and maybe attend workshops if you are really keen.
Asking about what skills you need and what the building blocks are etc, the answer is the same - you need to practice and do proper training. We can't just tell you how to be an accomplished actor on this thread in the same way we can't teach you how to drive. You need to practice and / or train depending on your outcome.

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 07:34

😂

Coriol · 21/01/2025 07:32

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 20/01/2025 16:40

I really don't know why so many on this thread are being so snooty about OP's query—acting is a good, fun thing for anyone to do, they don't have to be aiming to be Meryl bloody Streep.

I'm a huge advocate of am dram and community theatre—just like school plays, they can be absolutely life-changing and life-affirming projects to get involved in.

They’re asking questions about motivation. Like any good actor.😀

12purplepencils · 21/01/2025 07:05

I think lots of people do Am Dram for the enjoyment not because they are amazing actors, if you enjoy it and want to have a go then I’d get into the chorus of the production, you’d learn a lot by watching others.

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 07:01

I’m sorry @PintersPint Because of the way you are framing your questions I had assumed you meant training to act professionally. In all honesty I am unclear what your point is now. Actors are not a homogeneous group of people who train the same way, use the same methods and have the same impact on people. It’s an art not a science and can’t be measured by percentages. I know some critic sites try to do this but the thing about how you respond to a performance is so individual and personal. If you are thinking of having a go just go for it and concentrate on enjoying yourself. Chances are if you have a good time the audience will too.

PintersPint · 20/01/2025 23:53

My question wasn't about 'succeeding professionally as an actor'. It is whether it is a skill that can be achieved to a good level by teaching from a low/lack of natural instinct starting point.

The best top flight actors have an ability to really make you believe they are experiencing something and you just engage with them and forget for a moment they are acting. @healthybychristmas your example is very interesting - I wonder though if it was in a bar that the majority who bought into it just weren't observing closely enough if they were drinking and failing to pick up the 'acting' cues that you registered subconsciously.

In the theatre I have experienced this sense of actor acting as totally believable reality as an audience member maybe 3 times in my life all of which featured really well known and highly regarded actors giving exceptional performances. That is the sort of exceptionally high level that is on a par with being good enough to win a noble prize for literature or something comparable. (I wouldn't say an Oscar as that is very political and about commercial lobbying).

I'm not talking about getting to that level - more at a 'good' level so people who are performing well, would not be criticised by the public or critics as giving a 'bad' performance but better than average so regularly turning out performances in a 60 to 70% scoring bracket by analogy.

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healthybychristmas · 20/01/2025 22:40

I think with a really good actress it's more about what they teach themselves and what they learn by watching than what someone teaches them.

debauchedsloth · 20/01/2025 22:34

I doubt it myself. That's why top drama schools take 28 or so every year from say 4000 applicants. They not only need natural talent but also the ability to learn and apply the learning, to let themselves be extremely vulnerable, to know themselves, and to know their body.

healthybychristmas · 20/01/2025 22:28

I know exactly what you mean. It's like asking whether you can teach someone how to have charisma.

I was on a night out with friends several years ago in the middle of Liverpool. All of a sudden a young couple next to our table started to have a huge fight, yelling at each other and shouting. A lot of people moved away from them. What I found really odd was that although they sounded believable, I just didn't believe them. I grew up in a household with domestic violence and I am very well used to my physical reactions when there is sudden violence and shouting. I didn't experience any of those reactions at all that night. Other people clearly did and when I checked with my friends none of them had grown up with any kind of violence. They had all believed the couple. It turned out the couple were acting students and did this sort of thing quite a lot. They were kicked out that night and had been kicked out before. 🤣

I am certain there are actors good enough to make my skin prickle if they raise their voices. Although these two that night seemed technically fine, there was that little thing missing, similar to charisma, that I think you just can't teach.

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 21:46

Absolutely @ViolinsPlayGentlyOn

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 20/01/2025 21:21

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 17:46

I think you need a huge amount of natural talent to succeed as an actor. Unless you are happy to act for pleasure rather than as a career I wouldn’t bother trying to learn.

Or have the right look and be lucky

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 21:03

That’s beside the point @Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours Had the OP said they wanted to learn to act for more general purposes my answer would have been different.

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 20/01/2025 18:09

Unless you are happy to act for pleasure rather than as a career I wouldn’t bother trying to learn

Quite a shame to have this attitude, so can much be learned from even basic acting training that can be valuable in many areas of a professional, or in one's personal, life.

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 17:46

I think you need a huge amount of natural talent to succeed as an actor. Unless you are happy to act for pleasure rather than as a career I wouldn’t bother trying to learn.

HPandthelastwish · 20/01/2025 17:38

Local theatres will often run courses
like this

Just like anything you can learn skills. Even once you are an established actor you might read around your character, or if a modern day one spend time with someone similar Tom Holland spent time in an American High School before playing Spiderman etc.

Acting Classes in Norwich | The Actor's Lounge

https://www.theactorslounge.co.uk/locations/norwich?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAhbi8BhDIARIsAJLOlueKOKmJEovV-56IrZYBpu44JrS1SohXGrdiucOfqpBPmMvZI_I2_N8aAq_REALw_wcB

whaddayawannado · 20/01/2025 17:30

It is a spectrum, not a case of 'no talent' vs 'talent'.

No talent / <.....................................the vast majority.......................................> / talent.

Almost everyone is in that middle section, and it applies to all endeavours really.

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 20/01/2025 17:16

Is acting the same such that those with no natural affinity/talent will never be able to get very good?

this is quite a complicated question, because “good” is such a subjective thing when it comes to the arts. And what is your benchmark? Getting a role in a community play? Making a living from acting? Getting a good review? Winning an Olivier award?

I think it’s unlikely that anyone with no affinity for acting would be sufficiently motivated to try to see if they could become “good”.

I believe anyone motivated enough to try probably already has an affinity, and could certainly learn enough technique to at least become an am dram performer.

Professional acting has so many other factors (e.g. charisma, personality, attractiveness, prevailing fashions in the performing arts, luck, resilience), that there aren’t many useful benchmarks for “good”.

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