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Someone spreading race hate. Report to employer?

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emma91july · 20/01/2025 13:58

Someone I know is spreading race hate (as well as Islamophobia - separate kind of hate, I understand) on social media. I have "reported" some of most recent posts on Facebook (before blocking the person). Facebook agreed that the posts breached their standards and have notified the person. I understand from others that this person continues to post hate-mongering stuff on Facebook.
They work in a very "customer-centric" in the heart of a very diverse community. Would you report this person anonomously to their employer? There is a whiteblowing procedure in place. Their employer is very hot on equality, diversity, respect for all etc.

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Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 08:41

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 07:12

Again, no. I don't hate their family, because I don't know them. The only person who would cause issues for their family, is the person who posted the hate speech in the first place.

It wasn't a single comment. My actions of reporting hate speech were better than posting hate speech. I hope that helps you understand.

I’m saying that your actions were hateful and largely based on retribution. You most likely fuelled whatever prejudices he had.

its interesting you don’t care about people because you don’t know them, yet you seem to think this person should care about people he doesn’t know because his words of hate fitted into a neat box.

I think your actions and lack of care about the fall out on innocent parties is outside my morals - but you do you.

cmsinvestigation · 22/01/2025 07:56

Depends on exactly what was said.

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 07:12

Again, no. I don't hate their family, because I don't know them. The only person who would cause issues for their family, is the person who posted the hate speech in the first place.

It wasn't a single comment. My actions of reporting hate speech were better than posting hate speech. I hope that helps you understand.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 07:08

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 07:01

Nah. It's not hateful to report someone who is posting hate about a protected characteristic while displaying the name of their employer on their profile.

Anyone who posts hate online about vulnerable people should be prepared to face consequences. If their job is all they have, why aren't they protecting it? Why is spewing venom more important to them than their job?

Again, no, I really couldn't care less what happens to random people I don't know, due to the actions of someone in their family who is probably just passing on their disgusting thoughts. You're supporting someone who told me that I should be dead, because I'm a burden on society and bring no value to the human race. He said that I should kill myself, my husband and children hated me and couldn't tell me, and putting them through being seen with a wheelchair user was selfish.

You think I should care about someone who literally wished me dead and told me to kill myself? Absolutely not going to happen.

Well, by your own admission, you’ve said you don’t care about what happens to their family, people who haven’t done anything, so I would say the hate was equal on both sides. You say you couldn’t care less what happens to random people you don’t know, which is precisely what he might have thought. Cut from the same cloth.

Of course what they said was deplorable-but I don’t think your actions and the potential outcome were any better. You reacted to a single comment. From someone you had no knowledge of. I think the better response would be to post a comment back report to Facebook then block and move on.

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 07:01

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 06:55

I too suffer from mental health issues, this person could have also suffered from something. I don’t really care what people write on their Facebook, thats up to them. I can only control how I react.

I used to work next to a multi story car park. There were several times when people in suits stood on top of it threatening to jump off. I once saw someone do just that who had just lost their job. Sometimes people’s jobs are all they have. I would hate to think I had any part in that, regardless of what they had done..sometimes people don’t always think through the consequences of what they do. They’re so busy thinking “I’m right” that they don’t think about the person on the other side.

Of course it’s not right to spread hate. But I have no idea of any back ground behind something someone posts on the internet. You met hate with hate. Saying you don’t care what happens to someone’s family is hateful in my mind and just as bad as anything he could have said. Maybe think more next time about the consequences of your actions.

Nah. It's not hateful to report someone who is posting hate about a protected characteristic while displaying the name of their employer on their profile.

Anyone who posts hate online about vulnerable people should be prepared to face consequences. If their job is all they have, why aren't they protecting it? Why is spewing venom more important to them than their job?

Again, no, I really couldn't care less what happens to random people I don't know, due to the actions of someone in their family who is probably just passing on their disgusting thoughts. You're supporting someone who told me that I should be dead, because I'm a burden on society and bring no value to the human race. He said that I should kill myself, my husband and children hated me and couldn't tell me, and putting them through being seen with a wheelchair user was selfish.

You think I should care about someone who literally wished me dead and told me to kill myself? Absolutely not going to happen.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 06:56

Dotto · 22/01/2025 00:11

Yes, this poster is morally superior, quite frankly. What is actually disgusting is turning a blind eye to hate speech.

Do think it’s morally superior to say you don’t care what happens to someone’s family? Are you going to turn a blind eye to that?

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 06:55

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 00:04

Considering the bloke had, "single" on his profile, I doubt I "wrecked a family". Even if I did, I really could not care less. The one spouting hate speech wrecked their family, not me. I simply pointed it out.

I have serious mental health issues. Five mental illnesses, highly medicated and very ill. Seeing and experiencing ableism exacerbates my illnesses.

Why are you so against the reporting of hate speech? Why should people within a protected characteristic sit back and shut up when experiencing hateful speech? Why should people who choose to make vile, derogatory comments about the most vulnerable people in society, face no comeback, when hate speech is covered by law?

Ahh, you people. It's always, "But what about the poor ableist/racist/homophobe..??" and not about the group of people they're targeting. I wonder why?

I too suffer from mental health issues, this person could have also suffered from something. I don’t really care what people write on their Facebook, thats up to them. I can only control how I react.

I used to work next to a multi story car park. There were several times when people in suits stood on top of it threatening to jump off. I once saw someone do just that who had just lost their job. Sometimes people’s jobs are all they have. I would hate to think I had any part in that, regardless of what they had done..sometimes people don’t always think through the consequences of what they do. They’re so busy thinking “I’m right” that they don’t think about the person on the other side.

Of course it’s not right to spread hate. But I have no idea of any back ground behind something someone posts on the internet. You met hate with hate. Saying you don’t care what happens to someone’s family is hateful in my mind and just as bad as anything he could have said. Maybe think more next time about the consequences of your actions.

Dotto · 22/01/2025 00:11

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 21:45

Well you sound pleasant- did you get a thrill out of the power trip of wrecking a family? Would you be smiling if your actions caused one of their family members to have serious mental health issues? Yet somehow you think you’re morally superior! Disgusting

Yes, this poster is morally superior, quite frankly. What is actually disgusting is turning a blind eye to hate speech.

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 00:04

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 21:45

Well you sound pleasant- did you get a thrill out of the power trip of wrecking a family? Would you be smiling if your actions caused one of their family members to have serious mental health issues? Yet somehow you think you’re morally superior! Disgusting

Considering the bloke had, "single" on his profile, I doubt I "wrecked a family". Even if I did, I really could not care less. The one spouting hate speech wrecked their family, not me. I simply pointed it out.

I have serious mental health issues. Five mental illnesses, highly medicated and very ill. Seeing and experiencing ableism exacerbates my illnesses.

Why are you so against the reporting of hate speech? Why should people within a protected characteristic sit back and shut up when experiencing hateful speech? Why should people who choose to make vile, derogatory comments about the most vulnerable people in society, face no comeback, when hate speech is covered by law?

Ahh, you people. It's always, "But what about the poor ableist/racist/homophobe..??" and not about the group of people they're targeting. I wonder why?

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 21:45

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 11:36

Not anonymously, no.

Yes, I was absolutely delighted that their employer took ableism seriously enough to dismiss them. Brilliant. Couldn't care less about their potential poverty - perhaps they shouldn't spew hate about us.

As if Facebook cares about ableism 😂

Well you sound pleasant- did you get a thrill out of the power trip of wrecking a family? Would you be smiling if your actions caused one of their family members to have serious mental health issues? Yet somehow you think you’re morally superior! Disgusting

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 14:09

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 13:55

you do you then.

I will.

Digdongdoo · 21/01/2025 14:05

Depends if they're being outrightly, deliberately awful or just a bit of an ignorant twat. If the former, report away - anonymously if you like.

Dotjones · 21/01/2025 13:59

No you should just let Facebook deal with it. Their professional life and Facebook nonsense are separate, unless they are facebooking for their employer.

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 13:55

you do you then.

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 11:36

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 08:39

did you do it anonymously?

were you happy that potentially partner and kids get thrust into poverty?

I still think that you need to challenge on the platform, report to the platform and if you feel the need, because it was so awful, report it - under your real name - to their employer.

Not anonymously, no.

Yes, I was absolutely delighted that their employer took ableism seriously enough to dismiss them. Brilliant. Couldn't care less about their potential poverty - perhaps they shouldn't spew hate about us.

As if Facebook cares about ableism 😂

Greyish2025 · 21/01/2025 09:12

HelenaWaiting · 21/01/2025 06:28

Firstly, it's "anonymously" not "animosity". Secondly, if you don't have sufficient moral compass to understand why it is despicable, I can't help you, and frankly, I wouldn't want to.

Don’t be stupid, you clearly aren’t thinking of all possible scenarios if you come out with blanket statements like ‘Reporting anonymously is despicable’ …. Ridiculous comment

Ghruch · 21/01/2025 09:07

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 22:25

It’s a tough one with the whistleblower side of it. I agree that, on the one hand, it’s essential to educate people, and calling people out directly can start a conversation that may lead to a change in perspective. However, believe it or not, racists aren’t generally kind, reasonable people, and whistleblowing protects the reporter from repercussions so I generally support it.

Just because it’s online and not in person doesn’t mean spreading hateful rhetoric isn’t harming anyone. If they are posting online, they’re already openly being prejudiced—not just thinking about it.

But ‘being prejudiced’ is still just having an unsavoury opinion. It’s not denying someone a service, firing them from a job, slashing their tyres, beating them up. It’s really important to make the distinction because the whole point of free speech is that you have the freedom to say things other people don’t like, as long as that doesn’t slide into discriminatory behaviour or incitement.

There’s an argument around bringing the company into disrepute if the posts associate the person with the company (ie, they identify themselves as an employee on their profile), but even then I’d be very wary of reporting. What effect does it have on our freedom to say what we think if we fear being hauled up in front of our employer whenever someone disagrees with us? As many gender critical women have said, “the process is the punishment”.

For me, the time to intervene formally is when there is incitement or action. Before that, challenge them directly.

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 08:39

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 07:57

I would, and have done. If I was an employer and someone I paid to do a job had my company name on a social media profile that was also displaying hate speech, I'd want to know.

I happily reported someone who was ableist, to their employer. I very happily smiled when I learned they'd been dismissed.

did you do it anonymously?

were you happy that potentially partner and kids get thrust into poverty?

I still think that you need to challenge on the platform, report to the platform and if you feel the need, because it was so awful, report it - under your real name - to their employer.

FarmGirl78 · 21/01/2025 08:01

Everanewbie · 20/01/2025 14:15

How bad are the posts? One persons Islamaphobia and racism is another person's tough questions, satire, challenging norms and voicing sincerely held beliefs in our traditions of freedom of expression. Are you the arbiter of where the line is? Do you have the option to block/hide the posts rather than bring this persons life around them?

I think if Facebook think it's bad then it's bad, because virtually NOTHING qualifies as being against their community standards!!

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 07:57

I would, and have done. If I was an employer and someone I paid to do a job had my company name on a social media profile that was also displaying hate speech, I'd want to know.

I happily reported someone who was ableist, to their employer. I very happily smiled when I learned they'd been dismissed.

ChicLilacSeal · 21/01/2025 07:55

Do not destroy someone else's life. Even racists gotta eat.

Valeriekat · 21/01/2025 07:51

thepariscrimefiles · 20/01/2025 14:38

Not as despicable as being a racist though.

Is there a hierarchy of despicable behaviour?

AlisonDonut · 21/01/2025 07:05

Dotto · 20/01/2025 22:10

You think you might know better than FB mods, who have an offensively high bar for hate content?

People demanding to know what was said are just being ghouls.

And how about we actually DON'T repeat hurtful, offensive, hateful remarks.. You know, because they are literally dispicable?

Edited

Well, yes I don't make judgements based on knowing nothing about it, you have no idea what this is about. And using Facebook as a rule is laughable.

Porcuporpoise · 21/01/2025 07:00

Ghruch · 20/01/2025 22:10

Yeah but the alternative isn’t silence, it’s challenging the person directly. Racism is clearly bad but a culture of anonymous snitching is oppressive and awful in a different way.

Also, Wiesel was obviously referring to discriminatory action and violence. If you start punishing people because they could potentially one day be discriminatory, you have become the woke Stasi. You won’t actually stop people having racist thoughts or opinions by shopping them. You might possibly with open discussion. But the key thing is to act on discrimination, violence or incitement.

Equally if the person who made the comments feels they were justified then they should have no difficulty explaining this to their employer.

HelenaWaiting · 21/01/2025 06:28

Greyish2025 · 20/01/2025 16:13

Reporting animosity is despicable in your opinion, why?

Firstly, it's "anonymously" not "animosity". Secondly, if you don't have sufficient moral compass to understand why it is despicable, I can't help you, and frankly, I wouldn't want to.