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Someone spreading race hate. Report to employer?

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emma91july · 20/01/2025 13:58

Someone I know is spreading race hate (as well as Islamophobia - separate kind of hate, I understand) on social media. I have "reported" some of most recent posts on Facebook (before blocking the person). Facebook agreed that the posts breached their standards and have notified the person. I understand from others that this person continues to post hate-mongering stuff on Facebook.
They work in a very "customer-centric" in the heart of a very diverse community. Would you report this person anonomously to their employer? There is a whiteblowing procedure in place. Their employer is very hot on equality, diversity, respect for all etc.

OP posts:
Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:28

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:25

There is more than one "due process". There is the law, then there is the employers t&cs. One does not negate the other.

Stil no apology? Wonder what your employer would make of employees going round making false accusations

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:27

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 11:19

I don't have, "Customers".

  1. Nope.
  2. Yes.
  3. I'm not.
  4. Yes.

Ok, so you don’t do business with anyone, yet make money or do you think you have “clients” as opposed to customers., you only care about people you personally know, you think it’s ok to make unfounded remarks about people’s mental health, remarks people find derogatory. You don’t think you’re accountable to anyone. Yet you claim the moral high ground by removing someone’s income because you find it objectionable- yet won’t involve the very people tasked to uphold law and order.

it’s an interesting mindset.

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:25

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:23

Actually it is highly relevant. You have just decided unilaterally it is. If you read my posts you would notice that I said the views were despicable in the case of ableism. My point is the response of the poster was not correct. Where a crime has been suspected the appropriate response is to go to the police not act as judge and jury. What about wanting to follow due process is “a despicable point of view”. Once again you are trying to state what you think my position is (which you are doing incorrectly) and arguing against it. At this point you are arguing against your own imagination - which is actually very common these days especially amongst the habitually offended.

All you needed to do was apologise for misrepresenting what I said.

There is more than one "due process". There is the law, then there is the employers t&cs. One does not negate the other.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:23

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:17

The particular "ism" is irrelevant. Your point is that you think hateful people deserve more protections than the victims of their hate. Which is a despicable point of view.

Actually it is highly relevant. You have just decided unilaterally it is. If you read my posts you would notice that I said the views were despicable in the case of ableism. My point is the response of the poster was not correct. Where a crime has been suspected the appropriate response is to go to the police not act as judge and jury. What about wanting to follow due process is “a despicable point of view”. Once again you are trying to state what you think my position is (which you are doing incorrectly) and arguing against it. At this point you are arguing against your own imagination - which is actually very common these days especially amongst the habitually offended.

All you needed to do was apologise for misrepresenting what I said.

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 11:19

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 10:58

You are saying I need help, I find that extremely derogatory and ableist. If you are your own boss can I have the names of your customers please, I feel they have ffs right to know the type of person they’re working with, one who makes derogatory remarks about people’s mental health then tries to gaslight them when it’s pointed out. One who then seems to have an idea they are untouchable because they are their own boss and answerable to no one!

So in summary:

  1. you don’t care about people you don’t know
  2. you think it’s appropriate to comment on social media about people’s mental health and tell them they need help, simply for challenging you
  3. you don’t think you’re accountable to anyone
  4. you don’t think the police are the appropriate people to report a suspicion of a crime to and would rather act as judge and jury yourself

I don't have, "Customers".

  1. Nope.
  2. Yes.
  3. I'm not.
  4. Yes.
Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:17

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:16

But I wasn’t wrong was I? I was commenting on another persons post about ableism. You proceeded to quote me and start ranting about racism. Why do you have such an issue about admitting you were wrong, didn’t read my post correctly and are busy accusing me of something I didn’t do? Now can you see the issue in not going through the police when you suspect a crime and acting as judge and jury yourself?

Edited

The particular "ism" is irrelevant. Your point is that you think hateful people deserve more protections than the victims of their hate. Which is a despicable point of view.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:16

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:13

I can read perfectly well. I'm not going apologise for you being wrong.

But I wasn’t wrong was I? I was commenting on another persons post about ableism. You proceeded to quote me and start ranting about racism. Why do you have such an issue about admitting you were wrong, didn’t read my post correctly and are busy accusing me of something I didn’t do? Now can you see the issue in not going through the police when you suspect a crime and acting as judge and jury yourself?

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:13

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:11

You clearly didn’t read my post at all. You could simply have apologised - instead you doubled down on it. I’ll judge your views accordingly

I can read perfectly well. I'm not going apologise for you being wrong.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:11

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:09

Yes, I can read what you said. Most employers don't tolerate hate speech, it isn't a "punishment" to be fired for it - it is a consequence of violating their code of conduct.

You clearly didn’t read my post at all. You could simply have apologised - instead you doubled down on it. I’ll judge your views accordingly

BigSilly · 22/01/2025 11:11

If you haven't got the moral courage to put your name to it, then don't do it.

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 11:09

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:01

No I’m sorry, I wasn’t commenting on that, I was commenting on a particular point. You made assumptions that were untrue based on your own preconceptions. If someone is suspected of a crime the appropriate people to report that to is the police. It’s a dangerous society where having a different view, even if it’s unpalatable is punished other than through the criminal justice system.

Yes, I can read what you said. Most employers don't tolerate hate speech, it isn't a "punishment" to be fired for it - it is a consequence of violating their code of conduct.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 11:01

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 10:50

Its literally the topic of the thread... But whatever
Replace race with the victim of whichever hate speech you fancy. The point is the same. The perp is not the victim.

Edited

No I’m sorry, I wasn’t commenting on that, I was commenting on a particular point. You made assumptions that were untrue based on your own preconceptions. If someone is suspected of a crime the appropriate people to report that to is the police. It’s a dangerous society where having a different view, even if it’s unpalatable is punished other than through the criminal justice system.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 10:58

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 10:50

If you've ever tried to report a hate crime to the police, you'd know why. I also think it's important for an employer to know if one of their employees is hateful towards a protected group. Why wouldn't it be?

Where did I say anything derogatory? I do hope you get the support you need. That's a nice thing to say. I also didn't question your mental health... You said yourself that you have mental illness. Hope that clears things up for you!

Oh, and I'm my own boss. You can report me to me, if you like. I'll tell you the same, though.

You are saying I need help, I find that extremely derogatory and ableist. If you are your own boss can I have the names of your customers please, I feel they have ffs right to know the type of person they’re working with, one who makes derogatory remarks about people’s mental health then tries to gaslight them when it’s pointed out. One who then seems to have an idea they are untouchable because they are their own boss and answerable to no one!

So in summary:

  1. you don’t care about people you don’t know
  2. you think it’s appropriate to comment on social media about people’s mental health and tell them they need help, simply for challenging you
  3. you don’t think you’re accountable to anyone
  4. you don’t think the police are the appropriate people to report a suspicion of a crime to and would rather act as judge and jury yourself
luckylavender · 22/01/2025 10:54

Mainoo72 · 20/01/2025 14:27

No, I wouldn’t. Just ignore & get on with your life.

Like Germany in the 1930s?

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 10:53

luckylavender · 22/01/2025 10:52

Because race hate is fine?!

I think this is the bottom line. Plenty still think it is.

luckylavender · 22/01/2025 10:53

Babadookinthewardrobe · 20/01/2025 14:05

No. It’s none of your business and reporting anonymously is very cowardly. If their colleagues, customers or employees experience any problems they can report it themselves.

Race hatred is everyone's business

luckylavender · 22/01/2025 10:52

HelenaWaiting · 20/01/2025 14:00

No, I would not. I wouldn't do anything anonymously. It's despicable.

Because race hate is fine?!

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 10:50

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 10:49

I’m not sure why you’ve quoted me, my comments were nothing about race, neither was the post I was commenting on.

You see, this is the problem. People read what they want to see, then go steaming off in anger spreading their own interpretation. Before long, Chinese whispers have got someone sacked.

Its literally the topic of the thread... But whatever
Replace race with the victim of whichever hate speech you fancy. The point is the same. The perp is not the victim.

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 10:50

If you've ever tried to report a hate crime to the police, you'd know why. I also think it's important for an employer to know if one of their employees is hateful towards a protected group. Why wouldn't it be?

Where did I say anything derogatory? I do hope you get the support you need. That's a nice thing to say. I also didn't question your mental health... You said yourself that you have mental illness. Hope that clears things up for you!

Oh, and I'm my own boss. You can report me to me, if you like. I'll tell you the same, though.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 10:49

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 10:43

Perhaps the racist ought to have given more thought to the consequences of their actions? How do you think POC feel reading this shit day in day out? I wish the consequences of being awful caught up with people more often honestly - don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I’m not sure why you’ve quoted me, my comments were nothing about race, neither was the post I was commenting on.

You see, this is the problem. People read what they want to see, then go steaming off in anger spreading their own interpretation. Before long, Chinese whispers have got someone sacked.

September1013 · 22/01/2025 10:49

Depends what you mean by “spreading race hate”.

Making a controversial post on the Israel-Palestine situation that conflicts with your views?

Sharing a questionable Reform UK post about immigration?

Or outright hatred like “all people from X race are Y/need to Z” kind of thing?

If it is outright hatred and discrimination then I would report to their employer and potentially the police as this behaviour needs to be called out.

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 10:46

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 08:45

I'm sorry that you believe that I shouldn't have taken action against someone doing something that was illegal. I'm sorry that you feel a victim of ableist abuse is not as important as someone who was posting hate speech online. Whatever damaged you, I hope that you are able to seek some support, and get help for the issues you have.

Oh nothing damaged me. If you considered what that person did was illegal you should have reported them to the police. Why did you think an employer was the best person to speak to about your suspicions about a crime?

Ah so now you are making derogatory remarks and question ing mt mental health. Can I have the name of your employer please so that I can speak to them.

Digdongdoo · 22/01/2025 10:43

Feelingathomenow · 22/01/2025 06:55

I too suffer from mental health issues, this person could have also suffered from something. I don’t really care what people write on their Facebook, thats up to them. I can only control how I react.

I used to work next to a multi story car park. There were several times when people in suits stood on top of it threatening to jump off. I once saw someone do just that who had just lost their job. Sometimes people’s jobs are all they have. I would hate to think I had any part in that, regardless of what they had done..sometimes people don’t always think through the consequences of what they do. They’re so busy thinking “I’m right” that they don’t think about the person on the other side.

Of course it’s not right to spread hate. But I have no idea of any back ground behind something someone posts on the internet. You met hate with hate. Saying you don’t care what happens to someone’s family is hateful in my mind and just as bad as anything he could have said. Maybe think more next time about the consequences of your actions.

Perhaps the racist ought to have given more thought to the consequences of their actions? How do you think POC feel reading this shit day in day out? I wish the consequences of being awful caught up with people more often honestly - don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Sneezeless · 22/01/2025 08:45

What did they say?

JubileeJuice · 22/01/2025 08:45

I'm sorry that you believe that I shouldn't have taken action against someone doing something that was illegal. I'm sorry that you feel a victim of ableist abuse is not as important as someone who was posting hate speech online. Whatever damaged you, I hope that you are able to seek some support, and get help for the issues you have.