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Odd girl in daughters class

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Scottishbornandbread43 · 20/01/2025 05:33

Daughter is in primary school and has always had a nice group of friends.
There is a girl in her class that is a bit strange (sorry please don’t think im
being mean). She talks and sings to herself at inappropriate times, she chews everything and leaves bite marks on everything including other people’s property- her conversations are odd - constantly talking about bugs, she asks my daughter every day if she’s had her period yet (daughter is 10). There is a list of strange things this girl does.

My daughter felt sorry for her as no one played with her but now my daughter has found her other friends now don’t want to play with her.

My daughter spoke to me over the weekend and said she doesn’t want to be friends with this girl anymore but says she follows her around saying ‘she worships her’ (which I think is bizarre)and doesn’t want to be told off for telling her to leave her alone.

I feel sorry for this girl as did my daughter but I don’t think my daughter realised how intense she would become.

any advise? My daughter tried being kind but is now so upset as she doesn’t want be unkind to her but she just wants some space from her

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Yourfootisinmysirachamayo · 20/01/2025 08:20

WaitingForMojo · 20/01/2025 08:16

It isn’t odd for an autistic child.

By the same token, are you ok with same sex attraction being described as ‘odd’? Cultural religious practices? Anything that’s the norm for a minority group but not for the majority?

Are you saying that same sex attraction and religious beliefs are on the same level as leaving bite marks on people's property? 🥴

oakleaffy · 20/01/2025 08:19

In Marlborough, there was an ''Oddfellows Hall''
What on earth is an odd fellow? Some sort of freemason?

x2boys · 20/01/2025 08:17

anotherside · 20/01/2025 07:02

Obviously the advice to speak to the teacher is correct. But the behaviour isn’t necessarily “odd” for someone who is neurodiverse. Anymore than it’s odd for a blind person to use a dog to help them get around. Or “odd” for someone who is homosexual to be attracted to a person their own sex.

We don't know she is neuro diverse, mumsnet has just decided she is based on a couple of paragraphs, who needs assessment, s 🙄

oakleaffy · 20/01/2025 08:17

DaphneduMaureen · 20/01/2025 08:07

Really? I can’t think I know a ten year old who doesn’t know the word worship? It’s hardly like the kid is telling OP’s DD she’s in limerence.

Exactly! ''worship'' is pretty basic vocabulary for an average child.
Limerence, I'd definitely be impressed.👍

WaitingForMojo · 20/01/2025 08:16

Walkaround · 20/01/2025 08:11

The behaviour is odd/strange - ie divergent from normal behaviour. A perfectly good description for someone who is neurodivergent and doesn’t mask it, imvho… It is odd for a 10-year old to chew everything, sing at inappropriate times and to ask the same, intrusive question every day.

It isn’t odd for an autistic child.

By the same token, are you ok with same sex attraction being described as ‘odd’? Cultural religious practices? Anything that’s the norm for a minority group but not for the majority?

GoldVermillion · 20/01/2025 08:15

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If you read my latest comment a few above you will see that is not what I am saying. I don't expect OP's daughter to be friends with anyone.

I do expect a teacher to be on it when a child is so ostracised that that extends to anyone who behaves kindly towards that child.

Undoubtedly the child is being failed and needs support from the adults around her, not just to be left alone as a social pariah.

WaitingForMojo · 20/01/2025 08:12

Rosscameasdoody · 20/01/2025 07:49

No, the OP has taken the behaviour at face value - different from the norm. The rush to attach labels to every kind of different behaviour these days is alarming - especially unseen. This could have been a really helpful thread for OP. Instead she’s been chased from it in record time by a ridiculous pile on over one word that wasn’t meant the way it was taken. MN is a pit of vipers at times.

MN is a cesspit of ableism at times.

LadyGreyson · 20/01/2025 08:11

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Rosscameasdoody · 20/01/2025 08:11

Ameliepoulainandthephotobooth · 20/01/2025 07:56

Do SEN teachers diagnose now? That’s going to make a massive difference to a lot of families.

It’s a comment on a public forum from a teacher who l would bet is probably a lot more experienced in what constitutes SEN than you.

Walkaround · 20/01/2025 08:11

The behaviour is odd/strange - ie divergent from normal behaviour. A perfectly good description for someone who is neurodivergent and doesn’t mask it, imvho… It is odd for a 10-year old to chew everything, sing at inappropriate times and to ask the same, intrusive question every day.

WaitingForMojo · 20/01/2025 08:10

Yourfootisinmysirachamayo · 20/01/2025 07:31

It may seem extreme but it's true. People don't have enough shame these days.

Jesus.

Sceptical123 · 20/01/2025 08:10

DaphneduMaureen · 20/01/2025 08:07

Really? I can’t think I know a ten year old who doesn’t know the word worship? It’s hardly like the kid is telling OP’s DD she’s in limerence.

Yes she would have most likely picked it up from somewhere - a book or film, or even heard her parents possibly say it to describe the way she or someone she knows behaves maybe

JLou08 · 20/01/2025 08:10

Fountofwisdom · 20/01/2025 07:24

Teacher here - unfortunately I see this happen a lot. It is more convenient for teachers to partner up an unpopular child with a kind, sympathetic one and they will often encourage that. But it is not in the kind child’s interests as they can then get lumbered and then find themselves ostracised, as seems to be the case here. OP definitely needs to speak to the class teacher and ask for her daughter to be seated away from the other child, and not paired with her for PE or classroom activities. It’s too much for her to navigate on her own at that age so support is needed.

Should pastoral staff be stepping in to deal with those who ostracise others?

GoldVermillion · 20/01/2025 08:10

romdowa · 20/01/2025 07:41

Children shouldn't be made to accept feeling uncomfortable, no matter the reason why the other person is behaving in that way. I'm nd myself but I wouldn't allow my child to be made to feel this way. It's sad for the little girl but ops daughter is not a support worker nor are the other children in the class.

I am not advocating for anyone to be the child's support worker, or even their friend. There is a massive difference between expecting others to be a child's support worker (your construction) and expecting children not to gang up on and ostracise not only the target child but any child who shows kindness to them. To say otherwise is the height of disingenuousness.

And children need to learn boundaries and not be made to feel uncomfortable yes, by sinister people. Advocating that anyone who is different in any benign way but who doesn't quite do things the right way is a potential threat to be avoided is rather close to eugenics.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/01/2025 08:09

JustASmallTownCatx · 20/01/2025 08:01

Some of you are clearly very uneducated and it shows. Nobody is asking you to understand neurodivergence, but just be a little less narrow minded then to call children odd. You have no idea what these children go through, or how alien they already feel in a world clearly not willing to even attempt to understand them.

I’m not uneducated, and l understand ND very well. I also understand from OP’s post that she used a perfectly acceptable word - ‘odd’ to describe the childs’ behaviour because she has no knowledge of the child and no wish to assign labels of disability. Which, by the way, is exactly what you and many posters are doing here. You don’t know this child, how are you or anyone else possibly qualified to label her as ND unseen?

oakleaffy · 20/01/2025 08:08

Rosscameasdoody · 20/01/2025 07:58

This is what l wondered. Everything has to be labelled as a condition or disability these days, but it could just as easily be something to do with the home situation.

Back when I was at school, people used pens and pencils, and soo many kids chewed these. Like a roomful of puppies. {Edit: scented erasers too!}
People didn't fling around diagnoses just because someone chewed a pencil during double maths.

Sceptical123 · 20/01/2025 08:08

rach2713 · 20/01/2025 07:51

I would speak to the school as my daughter use to help out children with sen issues until I had to put a stop to it as she was really ill one day and crying as I kept her off saying she can't miss school and would get told off as she has to look after the younger ones and I said it ain't your job to as she said it is. then it all came out that my daughter misses playtime and lunchtime to look after them she lost friends because of it and also got told off if the children with sent didn't have snack or lunch if there parents forgot to give them so she was giving her lunch away so she wouldn't get told off. I would ask the school to put boundaries down.

Your poor daughter, she sounds like an angel who got utterly taken advantage of by the staff at her school. I hope she’s ok now, and the children she was trying to look after her, bless her

DaphneduMaureen · 20/01/2025 08:07

OneBrightAzureBiscuit · 20/01/2025 06:15

this girl clearly has Autism or learning difficulties- and I find it misplaced how a 10 year old would know the word “worship” when referring to this.
if you’re very concerned could you speak to the girl’s parent?

Really? I can’t think I know a ten year old who doesn’t know the word worship? It’s hardly like the kid is telling OP’s DD she’s in limerence.

Rhinostone · 20/01/2025 08:07

Rosscameasdoody · 20/01/2025 07:54

l have no idea if this child has been diagnosed with something so that is why is used the word odd.
it is not my place or business to assume someone has asd/autism etc…
she may not be sen and therefore I am ok using the word odd

This is what OP said. No offence meant. But a bucketload taken on behalf of a child people are perfectly willing to label as ND unseen. I know what l think is more damaging.

She also describes the girl liking bugs as odd, so I’m not massively inclined to agree with the OP’s take.

ND is a spectrum - we are all on it. Being ‘ND’ means reaching a diagnostic threshold that requires intervention.

Thus describing anyone as ‘odd’ - especially a child - for having different tastes and for asking a question repeatedly is pretty gross. The word strange was also used to describe a 10 year old.

Apart from the biting other people’s stuff, none of the behaviours described warrant being othered and shamed.

‘No offence meant’ isn’t an excuse for being offensive.

Sceptical123 · 20/01/2025 08:05

ladyamy · 20/01/2025 05:45

(SEN teacher here)

It sounds to me like she could have ASD.

Definitely

Yourfootisinmysirachamayo · 20/01/2025 08:04

Rhinostone · 20/01/2025 07:59

I can imagine it would be annoying to be asked all the time, but not inappropriate- unless the daughter is uncomfortable talking about periods, in which case I’d suggest the problem lies with the way she’s been taught about them.

As for biting people’s stuff - of course it’s not ok, but that’s where education is required to remove these unacceptable behaviours.

The only other behaviour mentioned is an interest in bugs. Would it be ok if instead of bugs it was dogs? Or something cuter…kittens?

I would feel uncomfortable with a new friend repeatedly asking about my periods. I think an interest in bugs is fine too.

EdithBond · 20/01/2025 08:03

Be kind and treat her as she’d like to be treated herself. You shouldn’t shun someone just because they’re different to you. It can happen to us all at some point and it feels awful.

The alternatives aren’t polar opposites: either an intense friendship or no friendship at all. The kinder alternative is they remain friendly, but within boundaries.

My DC had schools friends who have SEN and were sometimes quite clingy to them. They never asked me how to handle it. But if they had, I’d have said still be friendly, but play with other friends too.

If she says anything that makes your DD uncomfortable, she should say “I don’t want to talk about that”.

Charltonstrek · 20/01/2025 08:02

Fwiw your dd sounds lovely op

MyUmberSeal · 20/01/2025 08:02

maxwellparker77 · 20/01/2025 07:40

You were correct using the word odd. No idea how people could be offended by that. The girl is displaying very odd behaviour.

Totally agree. The girl does sound ‘odd’, and it is ‘odd’ behaviour. Could have said ‘weird’ too, and that sounds correct also.

Yourfootisinmysirachamayo · 20/01/2025 08:02

Melancholyflower · 20/01/2025 07:58

I have an adult child who is autistic and has a learning disability, which means their behaviour is often not that of a typical thirty-something, but never have I come across anyone that thinks they should be shamed for their disability. Luckily most people these days don't think that disabled people should be excluded from society either.

It is simply factual that people are not going to react well when their property is being bitten and they are asked inappropriate questions.

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