What have I just seen:Trump

No, it definitely shouldn't. But the poster was wondering how someone with a criminal record could be president, and I answered that his criminal conviction is for something quite low-level - ie hush money. His conviction for sex abuse is a civil conviction, for which the burden of proof is much lower. If he had a criminal conviction for sex abuse, I'm not sure he could have been president. I was talking about these facts. But of course the sex abuse should not be minimised and of course he's a sex offender. I think it's a disgrace he's allowed to be president with a record like this, even with the SA conviction being civil rather than criminal.

Ah, there you are.

You require a lesson in basic economics, I see. Free trade means that, in normally functioning markets, consumers are able to choose the most competitive product/service, globally. Seek to remove the world’s largest economy - the US - and inflation will naturally rise (less relevant for small economies of course).

With respect to your wish to see the US leave NATO, the US is the largest contributor to NATO’s budget by value (second only to Poland in %). At a time when all members are under pressure to increase their contribution, and in the face of global geopolitical tensions, an increase in funding would need a sharp increase in public spending by the remaining members, in turn raising demand relative to supply i.e. inflationary.

Your comment re the US’s post-war role is simply naive - yes, they’ve made some monumental strategic errors, but without them you might be speaking Russian or Mandarin.

Be serious please.

Exactly what of that is hugely inflationary? People use phrases like "much of this" and "some of that" when they can't point to specifics. As for your conscription bs, if the government of a country declares their intention to embrace isolationism, taking them at their word is not an act of war. Nor does pretending that America's role in the last 80 years has been peacekeeper likely to wash with anyone with half a brain.

Jonathan Pie's latest video is bloody excellent on YouTube about this.

I’ve seen the video and it doesn’t change my mind. A “nazi” salute requires intention - I don’t believe there was no such intention, any more than there was in the photos of Obama or Kamala apparently “saluting Hitler”.

“Not a good look”…. And that’s part of the problem with the “left”, constantly virtue signalling and over-interpreting and policing innocent actions and how they might “look” in case they “cause offence”.

He's one of the wealthiest most influencial people on the planet. I doubt he's a moron. I doubt he makes any gesture on a public platform by accident.

I give up. I'll be hiding this thread because some of you are beyond reasoning with.

@CinnamonStick77

What about the pictures that Shayri posted, are they Nazi salutes?

GameofPhones

The country depends on undocumented immigrants for labour. What will happen if they are all deported?

There was an expert on yesterday saying Americans won’t fill these jobs at the start so he predicted about two years of toughness for the country then a rise in employment BUT he did say Trump going two years with people unhappy is unlikely so catch 22

At least the thing yesterday was upbeat, unlike the speech that our PM gave at the start.

Grow up FGS.

‘Thank you for making it happen, my heart goes out to you’
E Musk

Versus

’Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe’.
A Hitler

Can we now get serious please.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

@2dogsandabudgie no, he saluted.

@MyNameIsX yes. They did. It just shows your ignorance.

Indeed, and sometimes 2+2=5

I dont recall the Nazis slapping their chest prior the salute….did they do that?

Of course I am, he touched his heart and said my heart goes out to you. His arm went out to the side in a gesture indicating that.

I'm not even a fan of Musk but come on stop trying to make something out of nothing.

Yes he did, stop being silly

One of the reasons I didn't want Trump to win despite preferring him to the alternative is that I found the 2016-2020 years of progressive hysterical backlash extremely annoying. I see we're off to a great start...

But to just yell constantly about Nazis well beyond the point of desensitisation is to abrogate responsibility to make substantive criticisms of Trump, Musk, et al, their policy agenda, and their implementation plan.

The project at hand is a radical return to the politics of national interest, following decades of internationalism becoming entrenched as the establishment position. There are concrete reasons for this turn and it's reflected across most of the West (including the UK).

As with any radical change, though, there is a place for thoughtful critique from an almost conservative standpoint: "okay, we see you want to do this, but there was a reason we put in that gate in the road that you're proposing to scrap: what's your alternative way to address that original problem, or are you prepared to deal with the consequences?"

Loved that programme! "Good moaning"

@2dogsandabudgie again, I have linked the video. Are you going to deny it after watching it?

No he didn't, stop being silly.

I think it would be easier to take the view it was a error if he wasn't actively supporting the far right in Germany.

@1dayatatime exactly!! 😂😂😂