What have I just seen:Trump

You’re confusing the meaning of being objective with having an objective.
It’s an easy mistake

yes, I know that, if you can read!

Democrats need to do less of what you're all doing here, ie. slagging off Trump.
What they need to do is to say how exactly they'll improve things. Then extricate themselves thoroughly from the lunatic cult of identify politics, which has alienated the majority of the population.

You mean “subjective”

@shayri
"yes, objectivity. They're objective because they have their own agenda, obviously"

'Objectivity' means 'freedom from bias'.

It's not the first time he's been president. Most of us were in disbelief last time. Have you forgotten already?

On the convicted criminal point, there’s actually nothing in the UK to stop a convicted criminal standing for election either. I suppose the difference is that no one would vote for you here.

So far, anyway.

all writers and political
pundits have an agenda. So they claim
to write in an objective way, not bringing feelings or opinions into it, but they always always do. They can't help it. It's called
being human.

That’s not what objective means

@shayri

"keep repeating that. It's the reason Vance will win in four years time..."

I'll keep repeating it because it's true.

And rampant disinformation may well be the reason why Vance may win an election in 4 years time. (But I suspect that's not what you meant).

Me too - but I am even more angry that the democrats paved the way for his return by their fuckwittery and mismanagement. That expression ‘we get the democracy we deserve’ has never been more apt that in 2025 (and not just applicable to the US - it’s relevant in Canada, Uk, France etc). I’d blame social media but that’s too simple. The information to take informed positions is out there if people bothered to look beyond the headlines. It’s about us as a global community.

yes, objectivity. They're objective because they have their own agenda, obviously.

@shayri

"I've yet to read a book of this genre which isn't heavily influenced by objectivity. Whether it's written by Bernie Sanders or Jordan Peterson. They all have an agenda. Their own"

Name one text you've read specifically about fascism that explores the genesis and history of fascism as an ideology and as a political system. Just one. That you've actually read.

Neither Bernie Sanders or Jordan Peterson are historians or respected academics. Peterson is a populist crank and a grifter. Sanders is a politician. Of course they have an agenda.

1. Did you mean to use the word 'objectivity'? You'd hope academic writing would be objective surely.

Trump has put a man in charge of cost cutting who is the richest man in the world. So the absurdly rich man is going to cut costs for the very poorest?

Isn’t it absurd that the man who has far far far too much is taking the little the poorest have away from them?

keep repeating that. It's the reason Vance will win in four years time...

@shayri

"it's absolutely ridiculous that people will compare a man who murdered over 6 million Jews and other minorities/nationalities with Trump. Whilst Trump is undoubtedly an idiot, he's there because the Democrats weren't able to put forward a credible threat."

Nobody's comparing his actions to those of Hitler and claiming parity.

He won the election for two reasons. One is inflation - all incumbent governments across the developed world have been severely battered or removed in recent elections because of falls in people's standard of living caused by post pandemic price rises.

Trump also won because vast numbers of Americans live in a disinformation universe.

I've yet to read a book of this genre which isn't heavily influenced by objectivity. Whether it's written by Bernie Sanders or Jordan Peterson. They all have an agenda. Their own.

@shayri

If you want to have a more sophisticated understanding of what fascism can look like - because you obviously seem to think that it's only fascism if it's similar to Germany under Hitler - this is a good read:

https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/B0D54NZXY9?sourcecode=ASSORAP0511160006&sharee_location=pdp

This is also good, and puts Trump in context
Strongmen: How They Rise, Why They Succeed, How They Fall https://amzn.eu/d/6xDJgiW

I've clicked 'YABU' because you shouldn't be shocked or surprised.

He's a mentally impaired, white supremacist nasty piece of work.

He's also the democratically elected President, due to the huge number of stupid racists that live in that country.

There is something that is very broken with any economy that relies on an illegal, underpaid workforce to keep the wheels grinding.

it's absolutely ridiculous that people will compare a man who murdered over 6 million Jews and other minorities/nationalities with Trump. Whilst Trump is undoubtedly an idiot, he's there because the Democrats weren't able to put forward a credible threat.

Receipts...

In 2023, Godwin published an opinion on The Washington Post stating "Yes, it's okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don't let me stop you." In the article, Godwin says "But when people draw parallels between Donald Trump’s 2024 candidacy and Hitler’s progression from fringe figure to Great Dictator, we aren’t joking. Those of us who hope to preserve our democratic institutions need to underscore the resemblance before we enter the twilight of American democracy."

In that Godwin himself said comparisions to the MAGA movement may well be appropriate?

yeah, despite voting for him!

Godwin's law, at its finest!