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To wonder how the hell my dd has done this?

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MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 13:36

Posting for traffic and I need some iPhone tech help!

Last night my DD age 14 was severely in the dog house and one of the punishments I have given her is to remove her screentime. Unfortunately after I’d retrieved her and dropped her home, I had to leave again for work and I won’t be back home until this evening. Adult DD was also home so she wasn’t alone.

I’ve set her screentime so that it’s basically switched off all day, every day, and her phone is blocked. But I’ve just had a look and somehow the little shit has been online for over 4 hours today (I turned her screentime off around 9pm last night). She will still be asleep now so presumably she was somehow on her phone from midnight until 4am for her to be online today for 4 hours.

I am planning on physically taking her phone away from her when I get home but I’d like to know how she’s getting around the screentime thing.

To wonder how the hell my dd has done this?
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Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 20:35

GrouchyKiwi · 19/01/2025 20:00

I'm in this one Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) Support Group

There are 50k members, and quite a few are in the US, so sometimes you need to check where the poster is from because advice isn't as helpful in those cases, but I find it quite balanced with regards to expectations vs ability. I'm not in any other general ones, just one for Home Ed and then Newbold Hope.

Thank you. I'll check that out.

MyPearlCrow · 19/01/2025 20:32

This.

That screen time is horrific. Most of her waking hours. My daughter same age is limited to 2. How do you not have any limits on her screen time? Wake up OP and give yourself a thorough shake.

Legodaisy · 19/01/2025 20:27

HollyKnight · 19/01/2025 16:23

That's the thing, in NT children too much time on devices can lead to behavioural problems, but in ND children (and adults) devices are often what keeps them regulated. Taking that away from a child who needs that form of stimulation can lead to more behavioural problems. It will just add to their stress and also their parents' who have to deal with the resulting meltdowns.

Yes and no.

An autistic child watching their favourite Cbeebies on their iPad to regulate themselves, fine.

An SEN 14-year-old having unrestricted access to the internet on their phone, and watching 10-15 hours of TikTok day? No. It’s wildly irresponsible parenting, it’s literally destroying her brain.

OP, you actually sound like a great mum who is doing her best. But children and teen access to smart phones (esp watching hours of seven-second videos on TikTok) will be the major health scandal of our time. Just google “Tiktok damage to teenagers brain” and have a read. She is fourteen years old, you can take away her phone and replace it with a dumb phone that only has text and calls. It’s hard, but she will likely thank you one day.

For the poster who snarkily said “what else will she do all day?” Literally anything else is better. What did we do when we were teenagers? Watch tv, read books, talk on the phone, go to clubs. TV actually is loads better than phone screentime - watching films/series is fine, not overstimulating stuff that’s been edited into seven-second bursts.

Apfelkuchen · 19/01/2025 20:25

My DC got round it at the same age by setting up and using a new Apple ID in secret.

Justaboot · 19/01/2025 20:07

RandomButtons · 19/01/2025 13:39

iPhones are notorious for having easy hacks.

If you want her off it you’ll have to take it away.

Calling her a little sh*t doesn’t really make you look good here.

Calling her a little sht doesn’t really make you look good here*.

This comment doesn't make you look good here so I guess it's catching

TheoryMad · 19/01/2025 20:06

It’ll be one of two things - she’s changing the time on the clock - you can stop that but I can’t remember how.

Or you haven’t got the bit highlighted that blocks at the end of the limit. Go to app limits, then select the thing you want to limit, then make sure both app limit and block at end of limit are highlighted.

MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 20:06

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:52

It's SO bloody tough. All we can do is support each other. Some members of my family have zero.idea (despite being loving & concerned), so ignore randoms on the Internet.

Hats off to you, as I don't know what I'd do without tag-teaming woth OH. He leaves tomorrow for work until Thursday (never happened before, but he can't avoid it) & I'm already dreading it. I'm practising my deep breathing 🙏.

I can relate to that, my parents for example just can’t fathom why I don’t just “put my foot down” with her 🤦‍♀️. But I can see from the positive changes in DD that I am treading the right path with her, we’ve come a long way from me being blue lighted into hospital due to the stress she’d caused me, and literally feeling like I was losing my marbles and begging SS to take her. Funnily enough, when school stopped, so did all of that. I’ve found a school now that is a lot smaller, more of a primary school feel to it, and I think it will work really well for her. Small class numbers and great staff, and although it’s not a special school most kids there have SEN. So fingers crossed for that.

Good luck for this week! You’ve got this, I think suddenly not having the support you’re used to is just as hard as never having had the support at all, but Thursday will be here before you know it.

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GrouchyKiwi · 19/01/2025 20:00

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:57

Could you recommend any of the PDA support groups on FB? I joined the Gentle Parenting Autism/ adhd/ PDA one: it's useful, but I find lots of the posts & comments don't help with the boundaries we need to lay, & many are sort of 'Us against society, we're so misunderstood & want to exist outside of it' which we just can't do.

My boy is also almost 13, & it's a tough road already.

I'm in this one Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) Support Group

There are 50k members, and quite a few are in the US, so sometimes you need to check where the poster is from because advice isn't as helpful in those cases, but I find it quite balanced with regards to expectations vs ability. I'm not in any other general ones, just one for Home Ed and then Newbold Hope.

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:57

GrouchyKiwi · 19/01/2025 19:44

Love your update, OP.

Fellow PDA Mum here, though mine isn't quite 13 yet.

I echo PP's advice about support groups on Facebook. There's Newbold Hope, which is great for when they're in crisis (really good support), and there are various PDA support groups.

It's hard, because traditional parenting doesn't work at all, and working out the collaborative approach that often works means a lot of false starts. And it's extra tough when you're on your own.

Sounds like you're doing great, overall, since she knows how to make amends when messing up. Flowers

Could you recommend any of the PDA support groups on FB? I joined the Gentle Parenting Autism/ adhd/ PDA one: it's useful, but I find lots of the posts & comments don't help with the boundaries we need to lay, & many are sort of 'Us against society, we're so misunderstood & want to exist outside of it' which we just can't do.

My boy is also almost 13, & it's a tough road already.

dementedmummy · 19/01/2025 19:53

She will I suspect either have changed the time on her phone to get round downtime or switched the phone to airplane mode

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:52

MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 19:36

Thank you @Puffalicious, and for your other comments on this thread, you’re one of the few who understand what I’m dealing with. She is so loved, it’s been a bumpy road and I’m sure there are more bumps to come but she is generally speaking becoming such a lovely girl (helped massively by not forcing her into a school she can’t cope with).

It's SO bloody tough. All we can do is support each other. Some members of my family have zero.idea (despite being loving & concerned), so ignore randoms on the Internet.

Hats off to you, as I don't know what I'd do without tag-teaming woth OH. He leaves tomorrow for work until Thursday (never happened before, but he can't avoid it) & I'm already dreading it. I'm practising my deep breathing 🙏.

GrouchyKiwi · 19/01/2025 19:44

Love your update, OP.

Fellow PDA Mum here, though mine isn't quite 13 yet.

I echo PP's advice about support groups on Facebook. There's Newbold Hope, which is great for when they're in crisis (really good support), and there are various PDA support groups.

It's hard, because traditional parenting doesn't work at all, and working out the collaborative approach that often works means a lot of false starts. And it's extra tough when you're on your own.

Sounds like you're doing great, overall, since she knows how to make amends when messing up. Flowers

MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 19:41

OkPedro · 19/01/2025 19:35

@MamaConchy That's a great update. I have a 16 yr old and 13 yr old. I would block Snapchat and tiktok. They are not safe. Your daughter can speak to her friend over WhatsApp. Honestly if you haven't been checking her phone (as shes been talking to this boy for months without you knowing) then she will be accessing things that are not good for her. It's a bloody minefield having teens in 2025. I have huge sympathy for you. Best of luck Flowers

Oh I knew she’d been talking to someone as our house isn’t a castle. I also knew it was a boy as she was being cagey about who it was. Also I am friends with the mum of a good friend of hers so I get information that way 🤣. But the conversations seemed to have tailed off lately and I was only thinking whilst we were away at CP that that seems to have died a death, then boom 💥, DD strikes out of left field.

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ERthree · 19/01/2025 19:40

Hope you enjoyed the hug and the clean sheets OP Sometimes they are lovely and sometimes they are little shits. Mine are aged 39 -23 currently the 30 year old and the 36 year old are little shits, the rest are just meh, only the Grandchildren are lovely.

Loub1987 · 19/01/2025 19:37

You call your child a ‘little shit’, wow. Good luck to her.

MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 19:36

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:29

Brilliant update, OP. She's so clearly well-loved, & she's figured out herself that she's seriously crossed a boundary. You've got this. 👏

Thank you @Puffalicious, and for your other comments on this thread, you’re one of the few who understand what I’m dealing with. She is so loved, it’s been a bumpy road and I’m sure there are more bumps to come but she is generally speaking becoming such a lovely girl (helped massively by not forcing her into a school she can’t cope with).

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MoominMai · 19/01/2025 19:36

RandomButtons · 19/01/2025 13:39

iPhones are notorious for having easy hacks.

If you want her off it you’ll have to take it away.

Calling her a little sh*t doesn’t really make you look good here.

iPhones aren’t actually easily hacked at all which is one of the key reasons I have one. They’re actually known to be more secure than Android phones. Just wanted to point this out in case anyone was worried!

OkPedro · 19/01/2025 19:35

@MamaConchy That's a great update. I have a 16 yr old and 13 yr old. I would block Snapchat and tiktok. They are not safe. Your daughter can speak to her friend over WhatsApp. Honestly if you haven't been checking her phone (as shes been talking to this boy for months without you knowing) then she will be accessing things that are not good for her. It's a bloody minefield having teens in 2025. I have huge sympathy for you. Best of luck Flowers

Puffalicious · 19/01/2025 19:29

Brilliant update, OP. She's so clearly well-loved, & she's figured out herself that she's seriously crossed a boundary. You've got this. 👏

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 19/01/2025 19:08

The image of me wrestling my DS out the front door in his PJs is a good one 😂😂😂 He's 6 foot bloody 3 and I'm 5 foot 9 what would I do when I reached the car?! Open the door with my foot?!!!! Fold him in like origami??

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 19/01/2025 19:07

I love your update @MamaConchy ! I've got a nearly 15 year old with additional needs who does all sorts of stupid shit (and who i call a little bastard frequently) and if I go toe to toe with him it ends up in an enormous mess. I have to pick my battles and it's taken a long time for me to work it out.

Sounds like you're doing a lovely job with her and how sweet of her to really try to make it up to you 🩷

MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 19:02

HollyKnight · 19/01/2025 17:21

20 years ago, if you said you didn't want to go to school, your Mum said, "That's nice dear, now get your uniform on or you'll be going in your pyjamas." And that was the end of that.

That was me 30 years ago. My mum got as far as pushing me out the door. I just sat on the doorstep crying. There is no actual physical way you can force a teenager to go to school if they refuse to go.

Yes the good old days eh. Me screaming and crying and grabbing hold of door frames as they passed as my 6’3” dad literally carried me out of the house under one arm to make me get on the school bus certainly gave me something to talk about in therapy as an adult, if nothing else.

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MamaConchy · 19/01/2025 18:57

I am still here! I was working/driving/getting home.

Well a really lovely update. I got home and the first thing I noticed was the house was sparkling clean from top to bottom. I mean I’ve never seen it so clean. This was the work of DD2, down to changing my bedsheets and everything. She then appeared down the stairs and handed me the £20 I’d given her yesterday. She threw her arms around me (she’s not normally huggy) and she was crying and said “I’m sorry mum” 🥲. We had a really long hug and I told her I loved her then we went up to my room for a chat where she told me all about the boy she’d met, and that she really liked him (they’ve been messaging/talking on the phone for a few months). I reiterated that I’m fine with that but I do need to know who she’s with and where she’s going from now on. She pinky promised me that she’d be honest from now on. Her screen time is back on, she did wrong, she’s tried really hard to put it right which isn’t easy for her, that’s the end of it (for now!).

So all good here, I was clearly very angry with her last night but didn’t shout, just delivered some home truths and hopefully judging by my welcome home they’ve sunk in.

Thanks to the posters on here who have been supportive and get it, unless you have first hand experience of PDA children it’s impossible to understand.

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guaranteedpersonality · 19/01/2025 18:55

There are a million ways to get around it - not necessarily because it’s easy but because children’s determination and imagination know no bounds when it comes to their phone and YouTube and social media are full of the hacks.
Most likely though she knows your passcode from watching you or has used your phone in a 1 minute space when you’ve put your phone down briefly, gone out of the room and before the screen locks to turn off screen control or add her fingerprint so she can access your phone.
You have to take the phone - and keep it with you or hide it really well, preferably after draining the battery so they can’t use ‘find your device’ to locate it.
And are you sure she (or you) doesn’t have an old iPhone anywhere she could be using?

Caddycat · 19/01/2025 18:49

I put a time limit on my DD's iphone, she showed me how when she hits the time limit it asks her whether she wants 5 more minutes or whether she wants to ignore the time limit for the day.... Not sure how to fix that. It's an iphone 11