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to wonder why we worship rich people?

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kindlypudding · 19/01/2025 00:34

Or to put it in context, why are there so many posts over the years that presume rich people (including the the established upper class) have better ideas about how to dress, spend money, behave and go about the world?

I am 50 and recall being a very young teen in the early 90's.
I was bog standard middle class, and had a good amount of privilege, compared to todays' world. Yet my friends and I would have preferred the ground to swallow us up than to emulate the wealthy. We sure as heck didn't presume they were the arbiters of taste, in fact, if anything, we considered it all a bit fusty, behind the times, etc.

I noticed a shift towards emulating wealth again around 2012, where everyday teens were suddenly starting up blogs to show off their Chanel handbags. And then Mumsnet, post after post asking how the upper class lived and how it could be copied. A presumption, I presume, that considered wealth and high status to be the pinnacle of good taste.

Perhaps it is my own background that puts me in an odd space with this. Maybe our particular entourage were subversive, alternative? But it never struck me back then, both amongst my middle class and working class peers, that anyone wanted to worship the upper echelons.

I know that there might have been many people who chased the money, where property and investment were paramount, but it didn't feel quite as consuming as it does today.
What do you think altered that? Did the internet have some effect, or perhaps was it the growing divide of wealth that brought it home to people?

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Damnloginpopup · 28/03/2025 16:53

WinterFoxes · 23/03/2025 14:09

Is this a joke reply? They are better than no one and they don't have nicer lives than anyone except people in poverty. If you can afford the cost of living with a bit of disposable income left over giving you freedom of choice, then you are likely to be as happy as anyone richer than you.

Obviously.

LilyLillyO · 23/03/2025 17:22

I think it's because humans want a comfortable life and to enjoy stuff.

If you are friends with a wealthy person, there is an idea (true mostly) that it will give you access to enjoyable fun stuff that you wouldn't get otherwise. They own a villa in Tuscany that they will invite you to stay in. They will hold massive extravagant birthday parties in their country house. They will buy you a bottle of the most expensive wine as a birthday present because the cost is nothing to them.

People aspire to be 'in' with a wealthy person and try to move into those circles by pretending to be wealthy with a designer bag they can't afford.

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:28

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:26

You just may have experience of or understand slightly different ways of signalling/displaying one's status and money.

Yes, I probably do. Enjoy your day.

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:26

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:25

It's nonsense in your opinion. I have noticed that people who haven't been brought up with money and aren't used to wealth, have a tendency to display it.

You just may have experience of or understand slightly different ways of signalling/displaying one's status and money.

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:25

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:19

That's nonsense though. Old money have plenty of ways of being ostentatious about their wealth in their owm way.

It's nonsense in your opinion. I have noticed that people who haven't been brought up with money and aren't used to wealth, have a tendency to display it.

Mrsbloggz · 23/03/2025 14:24

I think there's a default 'animal' instinct to align yourself with the most powerful individuals in your group or society.
Many people will follow this impulse without necessarily realizing what they are doing, particularly if they have not benefited from the kind of education that promoted critical thinking.

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:19

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:13

I was referencing crass displays of wealth which tends to be associated with new money. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with working for a living.

That's nonsense though. Old money have plenty of ways of being ostentatious about their wealth in their owm way.

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:13

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:10

You talked about people drawing attention to money, but only referenced 'new money'.

If it's about drawing attention to money, why reference new/old at all?

I was referencing crass displays of wealth which tends to be associated with new money. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with working for a living.

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:10

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:07

I didn't say that inherited wealth was better than making your own money.

Edited

You talked about people drawing attention to money, but only referenced 'new money'.

If it's about drawing attention to money, why reference new/old at all?

WinterFoxes · 23/03/2025 14:09

Damnloginpopup · 19/01/2025 00:44

They're better than us and have nice lives.

Is this a joke reply? They are better than no one and they don't have nicer lives than anyone except people in poverty. If you can afford the cost of living with a bit of disposable income left over giving you freedom of choice, then you are likely to be as happy as anyone richer than you.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/03/2025 14:08

Odd post, I think. People have always (presumably throughout human existence) envied and tried to emulate those who have more, whether that's more wealth or more status. The fact that there have been phases when ostensible wealth has been less fashionable than street-chic doesn't change that, and it usually doesn't last long before wealthy chic is back in. That's just how fashion works. And how human (and animal) nature works. Resources/status = better chance of survival, finding a mate and success in passing on your genes. We may like to think we've evolved beyond that, but evidence points to the contrary!

username299 · 23/03/2025 14:07

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:06

Than making your own

I didn't say that inherited wealth was better than making your own money.

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 14:06

username299 · 23/03/2025 13:56

Any better than what?

Than making your own

username299 · 23/03/2025 13:56

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 13:49

Why would inheriting a lot of wealth be any better?

Any better than what?

TheKeatingFive · 23/03/2025 13:49

username299 · 19/01/2025 01:20

When I was growing up there was a distinction between new and old wealth. People who made a lot of money and drew attention to it, were seen as vulgar and certainly nothing to aspire to.

Why would inheriting a lot of wealth be any better?

Illegally18 · 23/03/2025 13:45

kindlypudding · 19/01/2025 00:34

Or to put it in context, why are there so many posts over the years that presume rich people (including the the established upper class) have better ideas about how to dress, spend money, behave and go about the world?

I am 50 and recall being a very young teen in the early 90's.
I was bog standard middle class, and had a good amount of privilege, compared to todays' world. Yet my friends and I would have preferred the ground to swallow us up than to emulate the wealthy. We sure as heck didn't presume they were the arbiters of taste, in fact, if anything, we considered it all a bit fusty, behind the times, etc.

I noticed a shift towards emulating wealth again around 2012, where everyday teens were suddenly starting up blogs to show off their Chanel handbags. And then Mumsnet, post after post asking how the upper class lived and how it could be copied. A presumption, I presume, that considered wealth and high status to be the pinnacle of good taste.

Perhaps it is my own background that puts me in an odd space with this. Maybe our particular entourage were subversive, alternative? But it never struck me back then, both amongst my middle class and working class peers, that anyone wanted to worship the upper echelons.

I know that there might have been many people who chased the money, where property and investment were paramount, but it didn't feel quite as consuming as it does today.
What do you think altered that? Did the internet have some effect, or perhaps was it the growing divide of wealth that brought it home to people?

When I was a teen, during the 70s, 'everyone' tried to be as working class as possible, or to emulate them. People were ridiculous and wearyingly pretentious about it. Then, in the 80s, yuppies, Sloane Rangers, Thatcherism came in. I think that when there's a lot of money around, when the economy is good, people have the luxury of dismissing money. When there is less, people want it more.

Newbutoldfather · 22/01/2025 12:12

I think when the OP said worship, it is more pay undue attention to their views beyond their expertise.

Trump is the archetypal example. He got on to The Apprentice purely because of money, he wasn’t even successful in business. He then leveraged this up into the presidency. He isn’t very clever and his areas of expertise are limited.

And then we have Musk. The UK government responds to every tweet on areas as diverse as child abuse and industrial policy, none of which he has any expertise on.

It is worst in the U.S but money is just money. I would far rather read the views of a brilliant scientist or economist. But most wouldn’t, which explains what the OP meant I think.

dappledeverglade · 22/01/2025 06:53

suburberphobe · 22/01/2025 01:25

Everyone in UK is obsessed and still living in a class society.

It's madness!

You can see it with Brexshit too.

"We are better than you"

LOL.

‘Everyone’ is a big word.

mayorofcasterbridge · 22/01/2025 01:31

Sunnywalker · 22/01/2025 01:19

It’s aspirational. What’s wrong with aspiring to be better ?

Exactly - if you didn't have aspirations, what would motivate you?!

suburberphobe · 22/01/2025 01:25

Everyone in UK is obsessed and still living in a class society.

It's madness!

You can see it with Brexshit too.

"We are better than you"

LOL.

Sunnywalker · 22/01/2025 01:19

It’s aspirational. What’s wrong with aspiring to be better ?

mayorofcasterbridge · 22/01/2025 01:16

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 05:54

Times are changing fast. ‘old money’ is now associated with slavery not class. An emerging distaste and questioning where inherited wealth has actually come from is definitely gaining traction now.

Young people want nothing to do with it, and are very conscious of inequality.

A new class is emerging before us of creative super technology, this is going to leave the current class structure in tatters. The intelligence and innovation is breathtaking, and in some cases is most definitely worthy of admiration,

The vast majority of young people do not want social equality. Many won’t wear any labels at all. Nor do they like cars. Or obvious wealth. Or even less obvious wealth but alluding to it. A growing consensus that previous generations have been very selfish, and uncaring of the planet, the future.

It will be the young of today and their ideals that will shape tomorrow, not so much emulating past ideals rooted in dubious inherited wealth. Young people are far more conscious of the truth.

I have high hopes for the future based on the general values of the young.

Edited

Do you actually know any young people? They are as keen on 'labels' and 'status' as anyone! They do like cars, and nice homes, they wear make-up that I'd never even heard of. They want the latest tech, the latest gadgets. They like their holidays!

I'm not convinced they care all that much about the planet either! I think people my age are more concerned with recycling etc than they are! As for "selfish and uncaring of the planet" - when was this? When did global warming become a 'thing'? It was never touted as an issue when I was much younger. Far from destroying the planet, my generation recycled glass bottles, we carried our shopping in reusable bags, we didn't drive big gas guzzling cars and there were way fewer of them, we didn't buy 'fast' disposable fashion and a lot of our homes didn't have central heating... I could go on!!

YP don't care where 'old money' came from because it never so much as crosses their minds! They are indifferent for instance to the royal family. They are very often indifferent to politics. They are however broad-minded and open to minorities from wherever they come.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 21/01/2025 14:27

I don't worship rich people and I'm not sure I've ever met, in real life, anyone who does. Envying them is another thing...

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 21/01/2025 14:25

The behaviour that irks me is treating rich people as experts outside of their sphere.

I had a university friend who responded to any sort of criticism of any public figure with, "well, when you've achieved what they've achieved maybe you can comment - they've made lots of money, they know what they're talking about".

I've seen this attitude come up a few times - the assumption of credibility.

Meadowfinch · 21/01/2025 14:17

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 06:06

The Musks of the world are going to shake things up and some. The old hierarchy is already taking its last breath so to speak. The old order is falling away, and dying out. There is fear - there is a growing anti capitalist movement taking root. Many say we are already a post capitalist society and are witnessing it devour itself.

Time is now the new luxury,

What a lot of drivel.