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AIBU to think my MIL is a sociopath?

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RLT2 · 18/01/2025 21:25

Currently 8 weeks pregnant after 2 years of failed IVF rounds before one has worked. Incredibly anxious and exhausted to be honest from how long it has taken to get to this point. Have also been feeling very unwell nauseous etc so have been keeping myself to myself needing time to process everything and how I feel. On a lot of hormones so that doesn’t help either.

First time seeing MIL since she found out and she has just interrogated me on why I am not feeling excited and why I am so negative. When I explained (even though she knows very well) how we’ve had so many failures and I’ve had a lot of time to learn about all the possible things that could go wrong I am too nervous to be excited and it is still only early - I then got assassinated and how can I be like this and what’s wrong with me etc etc. It was like a SAS style interrogation.

She also told me that things don’t just ‘go wrong’ and miscarriage isn’t really a thing for most people!? What?! And if that does happen well it’s just what it is and no point being negative about it. Even when I said I just need time I don’t deal with big change well she was like well this is what you wanted isn’t it.

IVF isn’t something I desperately wanted to do we got told it was the only option and if I didn’t do it before 35 there was good chance it wouldn’t work so I can’t say I was fully excited about it but apparently that’s not a feeling I’m allowed either.

When we left I said to my OH why did you not step in there and he said he didn’t want to hurt his mums feelings so it was obviously fine for mine to be attacked! This isn’t the first time she has been like this but I wasn’t prepared tonight to just pretend I’m fine when I’m not just so she could hear what she wanted to. She is completely void of any empathy or compassion and can’t understand any other view that isn’t her own.

At this point I just want to never see them again but that obviously isn’t an option.

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Soonenough · 19/01/2025 12:57

She's not a sociopath . She's a interfering unsympathetic insensitive bitch .

Scottishskifun · 19/01/2025 12:53

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 23:03

@Scottishskifun fair enough. DH sees his mum every day and after the first few rounds of IVF failed I actually encouraged him to tell her because she was quizzing why he was down etc. It’s hard. We have good families and felt like we needed support but now feel like it’s being thrown in my face how dare I not be overjoyed when this is what you wanted. Unfortunately give an inch she takes a mile. I’m just going to have to toughen up and not put myself in those situations.

It's understandable for you both to want support but it's also really important to put the boundaries in place.
That's what you need to do now.

If she brings it up again you say firmly but politely we appreciate your support but at the moment I need to protect myself given the amount of heartache we have had so would appreciate you respecting that.
But absolutely don't be giving her dates of scans obviously you can tell her after once you are more comfortable but you don't need anyone adding to scan anxiety etc.

It's also worth knowing its normal to not fully enjoy pregnancy especially after heartache. It doesn't mean you don't desperately want or love that baby.
If it reaches high levels of anxiety however then reach out to your midwife there are pre natal teams who can help support.

PeriPeriMam · 18/01/2025 23:11

You are NORMAL in this situation! Keep her at as long an arms length as you can. Say as little as possible unless you need to explain that your feelings are VALID and not up for debate.

Good luck with the pregnancy!

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 23:03

@Scottishskifun fair enough. DH sees his mum every day and after the first few rounds of IVF failed I actually encouraged him to tell her because she was quizzing why he was down etc. It’s hard. We have good families and felt like we needed support but now feel like it’s being thrown in my face how dare I not be overjoyed when this is what you wanted. Unfortunately give an inch she takes a mile. I’m just going to have to toughen up and not put myself in those situations.

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Scottishskifun · 18/01/2025 22:54

Your sharing way too much info with her why on earth would you tell her IVF dates? Would your DH tell her about your other visits to Dr's and discuss your medical history?!

Learn the lesson from today give small amounts of info when you want to. She has demonstrated to you that she's sees it as her discussion right so stop feeding her.

FWIW it's totally OK to be an ostrich in terms of pregnancy for quite a while, I did it with DS2 til 25 weeks. My MIL was then told about the pregnancy when it could finally be confirmed as no issues. She also made my previous MMC all about her.
Your body your rules simply explain to your DH no further updates on when you have appointments etc.

InWalksBarberalla · 18/01/2025 22:51

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 22:47

@RabbitsEatPancakes I agree but unfortunately they knew about our ivf journey as it’s a lot to keep quiet about when it fails over and over again. She was all over the dates and wanting to know the outcome etc. I managed to get DH to wait until after the 7 week scan at least but she was like a dog with a bone needing to know.

You really don't need to share what you aren't comfortable sharing. I did over 5 years of IVF and didn't discuss with my own parents let alone the in-laws. Now you are expecting is a really good time to start practice standing up for yourself because they aren't going to get less intrusive and demanding once their grandchild arrives.

RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 18/01/2025 22:50

First of all congratulations on your pregnancy OP, I really hope that all goes well for you this time.

Moving on, I was disappointed to read your update about the reasons that you can't really cut this woman out of your life, or at least until the baby arrives. In your shoes, that's exactly what I would have done, but can now see why it would be difficult. However, you don't have to attend every family event do you? You could surely plead feeling unwell, or the need to rest, so as not to attend? Other than that, when she speaks to you about your pregnancy, I would just say to her, 'I don't want to discuss this MIL, you may have been trying to reassure me the last time we saw each other, but you really upset me, and unless you've been through miscarriages and IVF, quite frankly you have no idea of how it feels, and so are not qualified to pontificate about the matter. Now, shall we move on?' That way you've shown her that even if she was trying to reassure you, she made a mess of it, and have also cut off further conversations, as if she starts again, you just need to say, 'as I said previously MIL, this subject is not up for discussion, now let's move on'.

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 22:47

@RabbitsEatPancakes I agree but unfortunately they knew about our ivf journey as it’s a lot to keep quiet about when it fails over and over again. She was all over the dates and wanting to know the outcome etc. I managed to get DH to wait until after the 7 week scan at least but she was like a dog with a bone needing to know.

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Dotto · 18/01/2025 22:46

If communication isn't his strong point, he really needs to work on that before baby arrives!

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 22:45

@graffittimonkey oh as much as I appreciate the support I don’t want to blame my OH as he’s one of the healthiest hardest working guys you could find and it has been a real journey to find a healthy embryo. He is really very supportive and great. Honestly I think the dig would be lost on her anyway as she’s said before to me that it can’t possibly be her DS even though the sperm quality was the only thing that ever flagged as an issue and that it’s probably just because I’m not relaxing ffs.

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RabbitsEatPancakes · 18/01/2025 22:44

Seems very early to tell people especially if you're already nervous.

Most people wait until 12 weeks, this pregnancy we waited until 20weeks to share the news as I had a miscarriage before and just couldn't be bothered with people if it happened again.

mummytrex · 18/01/2025 22:40

"When we left I said to my OH why did you not step in there and he said he didn’t want to hurt his mums feelings so it was obviously fine for mine to be attacked!"

If your husband isn't prepared to protect you, you need to set your own boundaries as she will likely only get worse. I'd reduce contact with her and be clear with your husband as to why. To be frank if my husband behaved like yours I'd read the riot act as it's the type of thing that breaks down relationships. His job is to protect you especially when you're vulnerable, not hang you out to dry.

graffittimonkey · 18/01/2025 22:38

I would tell her that miscarriage is often caused by defective sperm and if she had created a healthier son, then you wouldn't be having this problem.

If she's going to (unjustly) blame you, you can do the same.

Though it probably is worth noting that if your husband has been drinking alcohol, smoking, eating UPF and leading a generally unhealthy lifestyle during the time you've been trying to conceive, he may well be the cause of your miscarriages and any morning sickness and pre-eclampsia if you suffer from that.

Men really should be upping their game when they attempt to procreate, as they have all the fun, whilst women suffer the physical consequences.

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 22:37

It’s a hard one without sharing too much they live close and our business is on their property and there are always lots of family events to attend I can’t just not see them but I think it’s definitely fair to say I will be avoiding those one on one interviews. OH knows and he gets it just annoyingly communication isn’t his strong point. At least I don’t have to live with her anyway!

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Hoppinggreen · 18/01/2025 22:33

My Mil said "oh well, you can try again" when I had a MC
Sometimes people say stupid things when they don't know what to say

Endofyear · 18/01/2025 22:33

It's not good enough that your DH didn't step in and tell her to stop. I'd be reading him the riot act. You don't have to put up with her bullshit and you were right to stand up for yourself. Stop sharing information with her and look after yourself. It's an anxious time for you and you are entitled to feel what you feel. Put yourself and baby first 💐

Maray1967 · 18/01/2025 22:31

I should add that I had a less awful version of this when I was actually miscarrying - MIL refused to believe it was, and said all would be well. I let DH deal with the phone call three days later when we got back from hospital. We kept silent on the next two mcs and she’s had more sense than to ask why we never told her, or why we left it as late as we did when we told them we were expecting DS2.

I hope all goes well for you and entirely understand how you can’t get excited just yet.

Maray1967 · 18/01/2025 22:27

DH needs a very strong warning. Any more of this, and you’re done with her. Unless you’re prepared to explode, which I would do if there is a repeat of this.

CharlotteCChapel · 18/01/2025 22:23

You see I hear her comments on miscarriage were meant to reassure you rather than anything goady. Even with the stats above it does shoe that most pregnancies do continue.

Good luck with you pregnancy.

Sugargliderwombat · 18/01/2025 22:22

Wow you are very much not being unreasonable.

therewasafishinthepercolator · 18/01/2025 22:21

Drastically reduce contact with her. Let OH visit her at her place so you don't have to see much of her. You don't need people around you making you feel like shit.

I'm really glad you pulled your OH up on it. If he doesn't understand why you need to keep her at arms length for a while then tell him again how she makes you feel and you can't rely on him to support you so you're going to look after yourself while you're feeling so vulnerable.

Fraaances · 18/01/2025 22:18

I think you will be seeing very little of this woman until your kid is 37 years old.

Gymnopedie · 18/01/2025 22:13

She also told me that things don’t just ‘go wrong’ and miscarriage isn’t really a thing for most people!?

Then show her these statistics to explain why you're scared:

  • in women under 30, 1 in 10 pregnancies will end in miscarriage
  • in women aged 35 to 39, up to 2 in 10 pregnancies will end in miscarriage
  • in women over 45, more than 5 in 10 pregnancies will end in miscarriage

(Source Miscarriage - Causes - NHS)

Although a better resonse would be to stay away from her. This won't be the end of it, she'll have opinions that she won't keep to herself on breast/bottle feeding, nap times, dummies, being out in the car (bet she'll expect you to be over there regularly) etc.

And if DH complains that you're not seeing her tell him you might if, and only if, he is prepared to step in if she starts at you.

Tipperttruck · 18/01/2025 22:12

My guess is she's as anxious as you and she thinks that by voicing all the things she has it will not happen. Like a superstition. If I say xyz to you then it WILL be fine.

RLT2 · 18/01/2025 22:09

I feel like with the IVF I’ve had to share far more details with her and others that I wouldn’t have had to if it had happened naturally. She knew about all our treatment dates and would constantly ask for the results. She also thinks it’s then her information to share with other people in her family even when we say not to. Yet when OH’s brother’s wife was pregnant she actually told OH and that he wasn’t allowed to tell me!?

So maybe the title ‘sociopath’ is unnecessary it is definitely said with a bit of jest. It’s more the lack of empathy I don’t understand how someone cannot read a room to that extent. Apologies if that is offensive to anyone I’m not trying to be im just hormonal and feeling attacked for being weak. I would have loved to tell her to F off but I have respect too.

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