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Court summons for mobile phone driving

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Onlyme234 · 18/01/2025 11:16

Hi all
I was caught sending a text on my phone in standstill traffic in March last year. Silly of me but a police officer was walking past and caught me. I got issued an FPN and received a letter in the post with a £200 fine and then details of how to surrender my license details online. I didn't realise that I also had to send off my license, fill out a form and send that off too. I honestly just didn't read the form properly.
I paid the fine and did it online but didn't send the form off. In September, I received a refund of the £200 and a court summons.
I'm due to go to court on the 23rd and was wondering if anybody had any advice?
I want to just go in and be super honest and say it was human error and I didn't read the form properly. Has anyone ever had this before and received more points or a larger fine?
Do they just reissue the same as on the FPN or am I at risk for more?
Any advice valued please

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PrincessofWells · 18/01/2025 18:56

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 17:54

No, just women being bitches

I think you'll find yours is a misogynist post and less than charming.

Plastictrees · 18/01/2025 17:55

@Jabbabong None of my post is obtuse. You are making up hypothetical scenarios. I am taking the OP at face value as I see no point in catastrophising imaginary scenarios. You are massively reaching to suggest that the OP sending a text message whilst stationary in standstill traffic serves as a gateway into reckless behaviour on the road.

Sometimes a simple mistake is just that. Assuming you never make mistakes, of course.

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 17:54

PrincessofWells · 18/01/2025 17:45

Or maybe it's that there's a school of thought that some drivers don't take the mobile phone issue seriously enough and posters take the opportunity to hammer it home when an opportunity arises?

No, just women being bitches

PrincessofWells · 18/01/2025 17:45

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 17:29

Wjy do some of you come on just to lash OP, sje knows she did wrong and is asking for advice, why the need to state the obvious, one nasty post going as far as she hopes she loses her job, seriously wtf is wrong with some of you, I bet you're the same little few that go onto every post just to argue, pathetic

Or maybe it's that there's a school of thought that some drivers don't take the mobile phone issue seriously enough and posters take the opportunity to hammer it home when an opportunity arises?

Jabbabong · 18/01/2025 17:44

Plastictrees · 18/01/2025 17:07

@Jabbabong Your reaction is disproportionate, you are acting like the OP has killed someone.

God forbid you ever make a mistake, perhaps those around you won’t be able to offer you a thimble of empathy much like you have here.

If she was not using behind the wheel then she would not be in this predicament. The fact this time she did not kill anybody is not the point, that is a very obtuse viewpoint to have. Next time the general public might not be so lucky.

There is very gradual drift between texting when stationary, to texting when creeping at 5mph, at 10mph etc. We only have OPs word that she was not moving at the time. The phrase pinch of salt comes to mind.

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 17:29

Wjy do some of you come on just to lash OP, sje knows she did wrong and is asking for advice, why the need to state the obvious, one nasty post going as far as she hopes she loses her job, seriously wtf is wrong with some of you, I bet you're the same little few that go onto every post just to argue, pathetic

Boomer55 · 18/01/2025 17:12

Onlyme234 · 18/01/2025 11:20

Just to add, I'm a student nurse. I've got very low income and live in dorms.

It’s irrelevant what your job is. You broke the law and need to do what they require. 🤷‍♀️

ShirkingFromHome95 · 18/01/2025 17:10

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 18/01/2025 12:06

I hope they take your licence away. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been knocked off my bike by people driving on their phones. In fact, you probably shouldn't be a student nurse if that's your attitude to the safety of your fellow citizens. Bad luck.

Kinda hard to knock somebody off their bike while stationary in traffic lol.

I see why the law is such that you need to be stationary with engine off as otherwise it's too open to abuse, but in reality is it really that different to searching for a radio station or rummaging through the glovebox looking a lighter?

I remember an article about a woman being ticketed for sipping a bottle of water whilst stationary at the lights. 🙄

Plastictrees · 18/01/2025 17:07

@Jabbabong Your reaction is disproportionate, you are acting like the OP has killed someone.

God forbid you ever make a mistake, perhaps those around you won’t be able to offer you a thimble of empathy much like you have here.

Jabbabong · 18/01/2025 17:02

buffyajp · 18/01/2025 14:52

I’m sick to the back teeth of judgemental arseholes who can’t read properly. She’s not calling the texting human error, she’s calling the not sending the licence off an error. Who are you to judge her for that and claim it wasn’t human error. No wonder no one wants to be a nurse anymore with every little thing in their personal life being judged.

OP was at the wheel of her car and using her phone. She does not deserve one jot of sympathy

She could be a nurse, refuse collector or the Mayor of Liechtenstein. The level of sympathy is the same.

Negroany · 18/01/2025 16:43

Manxexile · 18/01/2025 14:19

@Negroany

"What? This is for people with disabilities, or who didn't get the letter due to a postal issue, etc. Not for people who, totally within their control, just didn't read the instructions."

Where do you get this idea from?

"She can, of course, respectfully ask. But there's nothing to suggest they "should" do it."

The guidelines I link to actually use the very word "should". The word "should" indicates something that is best practice, not necessarily mandatory.

What's important is that not supplying licence details is "unconnected with the offence itself", not that the OP didn't read the form properly. (Although that was monumentally stupid, but as someone who used to be involved in managing nurse training contracts on behalf of the NHS does not particularly surprise me...)

I got that "idea" from reading and interpreting the words you posted which said "matters outside their control" - for example, a disability (maybe, say, blindness) or a postal issue (I am knowledgeable about how the postal rule works in courts). They were examples.

The situation was 100% within the control of the OP. It was within her control to read the letter that she received.

A JP has posted on the thread. They have said they've made complaints because the letters are not clear (fair enough, I've had speeding lettes and agree they are complex with lots of stuff in boxes and big letters) but they didn't mention any discretion if the person didn't read it properly due to that being "out of their control".

In summary, the section you posted is entirely irrelevant.

Negroany · 18/01/2025 16:38

thescandalwascontained · 18/01/2025 16:25

Nope, totally get that.

I'm talking about when I literally put the car in Park and turn off the engine because traffic really isn't going anywhere for quite some time. This may not be what happened here, but accidents shut down roads all the time. Including this week twice about a mile from here.

What makes you think that isn't still illegal though? Because it is.

AnnaL94 · 18/01/2025 16:28

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Can dish it out but can’t take it, eh? 😂

Diddums🥹

latetothefisting · 18/01/2025 16:28

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Don't dish it out if you can't take it comes to mind...

thescandalwascontained · 18/01/2025 16:25

MathsMum3 · 18/01/2025 13:47

And you would be commiting an offense if you did this.

I don't know how many times it has to be said: you may not touch your phone at all whilst driving, even in traffic. If you need to notify someone that you'll be late, you must pull over and turn your engine off first.

Nope, totally get that.

I'm talking about when I literally put the car in Park and turn off the engine because traffic really isn't going anywhere for quite some time. This may not be what happened here, but accidents shut down roads all the time. Including this week twice about a mile from here.

SerendipityJane · 18/01/2025 16:25

Burnserns · 18/01/2025 16:23

I teach on a professional programme (not nursing but similar). Our university would require students to disclose this. Our policy specifically states any conviction including motoring offences. THe OP should check with her programme.

Following another thread, they could always change careers and be an MP.

Burnserns · 18/01/2025 16:23

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I teach on a professional programme (not nursing but similar). Our university would require students to disclose this. Our policy specifically states any conviction including motoring offences. THe OP should check with her programme.

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 16:17

Oblomov25 · 18/01/2025 16:07

Knocked off your bike by a stationary car? Hmm

So funny🤣

Crazycatlady79 · 18/01/2025 16:17

Hardlyworking · 18/01/2025 13:32

Does your child regularly get hit by cars? How many times exactly? The same car or a different one each time?

Think you need to show them a green cross code video!

Don't be a 🌵 about my (now) 7 year old child being hit by a car.
She was with me at a crossing, driver was texting and not paying attention. My child got hit and hurt.
Happy now?

SpunkyCritic · 18/01/2025 16:12

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 18/01/2025 12:06

I hope they take your licence away. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been knocked off my bike by people driving on their phones. In fact, you probably shouldn't be a student nurse if that's your attitude to the safety of your fellow citizens. Bad luck.

Well luckily you don't get to make that decision!
Don't worry about court, @Onlyme234 .
It will be a small affair, not like a murder trial thing on TV.

You know you did wrong, you don't need anymore bashing.

Oblomov25 · 18/01/2025 16:07

Knocked off your bike by a stationary car? Hmm

Zone2NorthLondon · 18/01/2025 15:52

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 18/01/2025 12:06

I hope they take your licence away. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been knocked off my bike by people driving on their phones. In fact, you probably shouldn't be a student nurse if that's your attitude to the safety of your fellow citizens. Bad luck.

That is a disproportionate response

ilovesooty · 18/01/2025 15:49

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You're not being bullied.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/01/2025 15:45

latetothefisting · 18/01/2025 15:32

How on earth would you have been knocked off your bike by a completely stationary car?

You're talking about a completely different scenario than what actually happened.

So many posters jumping on to give OP a kicking when they have fully admitted their fault, yet still claiming moral superiority. Charmers. I know who I'd rather have treating me as a nurse.

OP as others have said the only thing to do about the initial charge is to apologise. In relation to the admin issue, is there any proof that you submitted the info online? As that shows that it's not that you were trying to "get away" with the licensing bit but just didn't do the administration side.

To be honest it sounds completely unnecessary to me, why is there a need to send your physical licence in the post AND do it online. It seems likely unnecessary double handling, potentially discriminatory to people who either aren't computer literate or whom can't get out and about easily, not to mention, given how crap royal mail are atm, the possibility of the licence getting lost. In fact, how are they to know that you didnt post the licence and it went missing? Not suggesting you should fib and say that but it seems like a ridiculous system.

You've made a good point that I completely missed out of my post about speeding fine. You used to have to send off your physical licence along with the form but for my recent fine, I didn't. I had to pay over the phone, fill in the form and include my driving licence number on it - NOT send the licence itself.

The process has changed but I'm not sure when? Maybe OP can use that in her defence in court.

BodFrank · 18/01/2025 15:41

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Is that seriously your definition of ‘bullying’? You were the one who made a dickish comment to someone who used an ordinary word in a post.

And I can respond to whom I please, thanks.

And perhaps read the unpleasant initial comment you wrote, before accusing others of being bullies.