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Friend asked for money for freezing eggs/IVF. I feel strange/lost.

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fjordsnights · 18/01/2025 11:02

Hi all,

Was hoping for some advice/insight. In recent times, things haven't been going well. My partner died - albeit not so recently - but almost two years ago. It's been a nightmare though in terms of settling the estate - not due to anyone contesting the will or anything, but rather in terms of admin as we are dual citizens/tax etc... so the grief as well as the admin still feels very raw.

In terms of my career, things have been going well, so there's that. No, I'm not on LinkedIn or FB or Instagram. I don't post career 'wins' on the internet or apps or anything like that. However, my new role has meant a lot of travel to the US. (I am a dual citizen of the UK/US).

My friend initially thought the travel was due to my partner's estate/admin related - and she wasn't wrong. However, in the past 5 months, it's been due to work too given my new role. She then took this to mean I was a 'high flyer'. I am not. Far far far from it.

Anyway, she's looking to get married/have kids. This is great for her and I hope she finds that. She recently said she doesn't think it's going to happen for her and she's worried she's not going to find someone in good time (she's single at the moment). She asked if I would give her money for egg freezing - and potentially IVF treatment (down the line). I didn't know what to say as I was so taken aback. She asked me over FaceTime as I was abroad.

I suspect it's because she feels like I've received money as a result of my partner's passing and/or because of my new role at work. I was abroad when she asked me - but I am now back in the UK. I told her I'd be back yesterday.

She texted me last night saying: "Don't worry about it. I'm taking the money out of my savings. But IVF might be a different story, so let's just wait and see."

AIBU to think it's not right to ask for money from a friend when you have savings? Also, does her message imply she'd ask again when undergoing IVF?

These past few months have been really bizarre in general - after a period of so much grief and loss. I don't know what to do/think about most things these days.

OP posts:
Chuchoter · 25/01/2025 20:31

'She asked if I would give her money for egg freezing'

I would have stated at her stonily and then told her that I never wish to speak to her again.

The off switch would have been pressed.

Knowlewoman · 25/01/2025 20:22

One of my close friends is a solicitor who has a saying: "Where there's a Will there's a relative". This doesn't quite cover your situation; however, I hope you manage to negotiate your way out of this awful situation.

MidnightMusing5 · 25/01/2025 19:39

From someone who has very burnt fingers lending money to friends, my advice is DON’T.

Annanirvana · 25/01/2025 19:35

Some people can smell money/possible money and are entitled and greedy. They're very good at "sharing". Only their "sharing" means you can't have anything without them wanting to dip their greedy beaks. The excuses and language they use are ridiculous. Here's one, newly separated after a long marriage, numb and lost. A "friend" (with 4 failed marriages behind her), had previously mentioned my very humble flat and wondered why I had it and she had
" nothing". (She was unfaithful, drunk and profligate). Turns to me later and says, " I've had a great idea! Why don't WE sell YOUR flat and buy a bar on the Costa del Sol?

Bowies · 25/01/2025 19:03

This is really odd to the point I’d be wondering if it’s actually my friend and not a scam.

I would be inclined to ignore at this point.

Sorry for your loss.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 25/01/2025 19:02

Stick to your guns OP

Crazybaby123 · 25/01/2025 18:52

No way, where would it end, probably never. Either endless rounds of ivf to pay for or child rearing costs. We never lend money in our friendship groupz some of us are much more wealthy than the others but none of expect the other ones to cover them for anything even for a mealz we split costs equally and chose things we can all afford to do. Lending money to friends is a sure fire way to ruin a friendship.

LubyLooTwo · 25/01/2025 17:40

Just say no and that she needs to sort out her own arrangements. Personally I would also add that I am very angry and disappointed that she asked me. You should have been more assertive from the very beginning. Some friend she is if she wants to sponge off you.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 23/01/2025 18:12

" Started lecturing me on how 'giving' has been proven to make people feel good and that a baby is a blessing... and then reiterated that we get 'one life and it's short' (I know, my partner died suddenly!"

Sorry you had to go through that. It really was a massive cheek.

Banyon · 23/01/2025 09:44

HT2025 · 23/01/2025 09:23

@Banyon goodness me, you know a lot about your dentist and her private life! I hardly get a "sit in the chair please" from mine

We bonded during pregnancy and being new moms w jobs. Like me she wasn’t local, had moved to area didn’t know many other moms as we both working jobs with long hours.

HT2025 · 23/01/2025 09:23

@Banyon goodness me, you know a lot about your dentist and her private life! I hardly get a "sit in the chair please" from mine

Mrsbloggz · 22/01/2025 16:37

Banyon · 20/01/2025 21:59

My dentist, bless her. Was 35 and single & Has got her baby the inexpensive way … she scoped out potential mates at a dental conference. She had a few attributes in mind for her sperm donor - tall, graduated from a “good dental school”, single and “nice”. She researched the list of attendees, their social media and had a short list of those who she could get pregnant from at the conference, with her first choice who was from a very very far away country. She and this guy got on really well &
She got her baby. He doesn’t know.

She’s busy as a single mum, building her practice, that she doesn’t go to conferences any more. (Though she did consider attending and trying for a sibling if the donor was also attending …). She got very lucky w her cycle & conference dates.

Well done her👏🏻🤩
I'd do the same in her shoes!

HomeTheatreSystem · 22/01/2025 16:18

Sorry to say but I think you're well shot of her. She sounds unhinged and if she does come slithering back "to give you one last chance to be the kind and giving person she knows you to be" I think you need to tell her that you have nothing further to say to her and any further contact will result in reporting her to the police for harassment. So sorry this has happened to you on top of everything else.

outerspacepotato · 22/01/2025 15:21

I'm sorry. This is not what friends do.

She is working hard to extract a large sum of money from someone going through one of the worst experiences life can throw at them. She's even getting belligerent with you. That life is short comment is both insensitive and manipulation on action.

She wants you to support her getting pregnant, then pay child support. This is not a reasonable expectation at any time. When it happens after her target (you), has suffered a devastating life loss, it shows she's trying to take advantage of your loneliness and confusion. This is calculated and not done with any good intentions.

Time to block her. She wants to use you for money.

pinkyredrose · 22/01/2025 15:04

Banyon · 20/01/2025 21:59

My dentist, bless her. Was 35 and single & Has got her baby the inexpensive way … she scoped out potential mates at a dental conference. She had a few attributes in mind for her sperm donor - tall, graduated from a “good dental school”, single and “nice”. She researched the list of attendees, their social media and had a short list of those who she could get pregnant from at the conference, with her first choice who was from a very very far away country. She and this guy got on really well &
She got her baby. He doesn’t know.

She’s busy as a single mum, building her practice, that she doesn’t go to conferences any more. (Though she did consider attending and trying for a sibling if the donor was also attending …). She got very lucky w her cycle & conference dates.

Gross.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 22/01/2025 14:54

" Life is short " she's telling you, who has lost someone fairly recently, that life is short? She's lost the plot. Her whole attitude has been inappropriate. Definitely drop the rope with this friendship

Bumblingbee101 · 22/01/2025 14:41

OP firstly I am so sorry for your loss 💔 You sound like you've had an extremely difficult time and time to process what has happened to you must be extremely hard. In time maybe seek some counselling?
If your friend had asked for some support with a payment plan/legal doc etc that's different. Was she there for you during your time of loss? She sounds like she is expecting you to pay. I would politely but firmly explain you have your own options to consider and that her savings are to do with as she chooses as are yours. She needs to ask family etc. Don't go through this grief OP when you have already been through so much. Hugs to you.

BMW6 · 22/01/2025 14:30

Well hopefully she'll come to her senses OP - if she does she ought to be utterly mortified.

If she doesn't she wasn't a Friend in the first place, so no real liss to you.

Wishing you all the best for the future Flowers

Penguinmouse · 21/01/2025 22:34

fjordsnights · 21/01/2025 20:01

So it didn't end well. Think it's safe to say the friendship is as good as over. I made my point - yet again - and she just got more and more defensive and angry. She admitted her anger was at 'men' in general and how she's unhappy in her life and where she's at/single etc... but it was long after lots of strange angles she took/argued regarding her 'plans'. It all just got stranger and stranger. Started lecturing me on how 'giving' has been proven to make people feel good and that a baby is a blessing... and then reiterated that we get 'one life and it's short' (I know, my partner died suddenly!) and that we should all be able to reach our dreams/goals.

I think she's having a crisis and is worried about never being able to have a baby. For that, I do feel for her - but the behaviour was/is becoming more and more strange. So dropped the topic and I highly doubt I'll hear from her again, in truth.

Not your responsibility to give her a baby and if the friendship is over, that sounds like a bit of a blessing to be honest.

Tortielady · 21/01/2025 20:44

Curtainqueen · 21/01/2025 20:16

I'm not so sure. I think she'll be back for one last attempt to convince you how it really is in your best interests to pay for her plans because it will make you feel better about yourself in the long run. She's trying to help you afterall.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were right and I hope that the prospect will encourage the OP to dig her heels in. This sort of pressure is, as you say, often couched in terms of "making you feel better about yourself" a particularly insidious form of guilt-trip put on women especially. It's interesting how often it emerges at particularly stressful times, when its target already feels vulnerable. I'd like to know exactly why its perpetrators think people in @fjordsnights situation need to feel better about? What do they think she's done?

Curtainqueen · 21/01/2025 20:16

fjordsnights · 21/01/2025 20:01

So it didn't end well. Think it's safe to say the friendship is as good as over. I made my point - yet again - and she just got more and more defensive and angry. She admitted her anger was at 'men' in general and how she's unhappy in her life and where she's at/single etc... but it was long after lots of strange angles she took/argued regarding her 'plans'. It all just got stranger and stranger. Started lecturing me on how 'giving' has been proven to make people feel good and that a baby is a blessing... and then reiterated that we get 'one life and it's short' (I know, my partner died suddenly!) and that we should all be able to reach our dreams/goals.

I think she's having a crisis and is worried about never being able to have a baby. For that, I do feel for her - but the behaviour was/is becoming more and more strange. So dropped the topic and I highly doubt I'll hear from her again, in truth.

I'm not so sure. I think she'll be back for one last attempt to convince you how it really is in your best interests to pay for her plans because it will make you feel better about yourself in the long run. She's trying to help you afterall.

Ifyouarehappyandyouknowitshout · 21/01/2025 20:06

It shouldn't matter if she has money or not. It's not her responsibility to pay for some CF's life choices.

For various reasons I am quite a lot wealthier than my in laws. If they had any idea what's going on they would be all over it so DH and I have kept it all very quiet. But whether we had what we had or nothing the answer would be the same. Get to fuck you cheeky fucker...

3luckystars · 21/01/2025 20:02

Did you tell her that you didn’t have any money?

fjordsnights · 21/01/2025 20:01

So it didn't end well. Think it's safe to say the friendship is as good as over. I made my point - yet again - and she just got more and more defensive and angry. She admitted her anger was at 'men' in general and how she's unhappy in her life and where she's at/single etc... but it was long after lots of strange angles she took/argued regarding her 'plans'. It all just got stranger and stranger. Started lecturing me on how 'giving' has been proven to make people feel good and that a baby is a blessing... and then reiterated that we get 'one life and it's short' (I know, my partner died suddenly!) and that we should all be able to reach our dreams/goals.

I think she's having a crisis and is worried about never being able to have a baby. For that, I do feel for her - but the behaviour was/is becoming more and more strange. So dropped the topic and I highly doubt I'll hear from her again, in truth.

OP posts:
dysonwithdeath · 21/01/2025 12:38

Ask her what the point is in freezing eggs if she cannot afford IVF? Then ask her how she will afford to raise a child?