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To ask MIL not to use their car seat?

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WorriedAboutHurtingFeelings · 18/01/2025 08:07

MIL bought a car seat for her car, for when they take our 18-month old DD somewhere. This is very kind of her and I'm grateful. But the one she's bought isn't rear-facing, and everything I've read indicates that children should stay rear-facing as long as possible.

MIL doesn't see DD very much (they live an hour away) so I don't want to discourage contact, but she's very sensitive and I'm worried that it will hurt her feelings when I insist they use our own rear-facing car seat if they do take DD somewhere. I also have a strong feeling that MIL thinks I am too protective and precious about DD.

AIBU to insist they use our rear-facing seat instead of the one they've bought? As far as I'm concerned, DD's safety comes before MIL's feelings, but DH feels awkward about it.

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HopelessHouseMaid · 18/01/2025 13:37

While I agree fully that rear facing is much safer, I really do hate seeing people drag others for forward facing. There isn’t enough education for parents and there is so many forward facing seats out there, that of course many are going to think they are just as safe. I have had to rear face 2 of my children way before I wanted too, after spending a lot of money on rear facing car seats it was gutting. They are both neurodivergent and could escape any car seats straps. Being able to see them and pull over when needed was much safer for my children.

OP just be honest about your feelings with them. The car seat can always be used for when your child is older. 18 months is very young.

WaltzingWaters · 18/01/2025 13:28

Mandoidi · 18/01/2025 09:06

Is it possible to have a rear facing one at that age? DS3 just outgrew his 360 seat and the options available to us because of his height are booster seats (the type with the full back)

Or am I missing something? It does feel a big jump from 5 point harness, to seatbelt all of a sudden!

There are many exclusive rear facing seats available that will support your child up to 36kg. My child is small and he should last in his 25kg rear facing seat until he reaches 6-7years. Look into Axkid minikid and movekid seats or Britax max safe pro as examples.

StacieBenson · 18/01/2025 13:22

crostini · 18/01/2025 13:07

People are so evangelical about bloody car seats and make rear facing their child a major part of their personality Blush

Your child will be absolutely fine in the car with their grandma. Don't cause a problem.

How do we know whether her child will be 'absolutely fine' being driven around by grandma? Don't shame OP for wanting to keep her child safe.

Dotto · 18/01/2025 13:20

It is a choice, it's legal. You also have a choice whether to allow your child in it, though. I'd be buying MIL a rear facing one myself if she was doing lots of childcare. If she isn't, then it's unlikely to be used anyway as I would always transport my own child.

Gogogo12345 · 18/01/2025 13:16

10speckledfrogs · 18/01/2025 10:55

In terms of cars needing to be huge - they really don't- I have two rear facing in a Peugeot 508 2016 model - much smaller than all the suburby wagons you see around the place

508 are not tiny though. If it was a 208 id be more in agreement about working in smaller cars

Shetlands · 18/01/2025 13:14

"As far as I'm concerned, DD's safety comes before MIL's feelings, but DH feels awkward about it."

He'd feel more than awkward if there was a car accident! I bought a car seat for my first grandchild and my daughter insisted I change it for one she recommended so I did. Just stick to your guns and don't be railroaded out of it.

OMGitsnotgood · 18/01/2025 13:13

'Your child your rules' - I was mainly referring to something as important as safety, not granny allowing more TV than you are happy with but didn't make that clear, sorry.

When I was born, cars didn't legally even have to have seatbelts fitted. I was transported in an unrestrained carry cot on the back seat. Cars weren't as fast and there wasn't as much traffic but still I shudder at the thought of the outcome of an accident.
Our children were always in car seats, although only rear facing in the tiny baby seats you'd carry them into the car in.
We didn't have any family nearby so we had no grandparent car seat issues but I did frequently see grandparents transporting children on their laps. Horrific.

I do agree with listening to latest research,

and this thread is a reminde to check with my DCs before buying anything at all when they have childen- but you as parents do need to be patient and be prepared to educate us oldies on current thinking. I will try to educate myself but can't be 'up' on everything. Probably like me very very few of your parents / ILs will be aware of any child being harmed, even after an accident, in a forward facing chair so it wouldn't cross our minds.
Same with weaning - it was ok to start weaning at 3 months when I was a baby and even when I had my DC, 3 months was OK but we were encouraged to try to leave it to 4.
So please don't assume we know what is right and wrong by today's standards.
I know some grandparents will have the awful 'well it was ok when we did it this way' attitude (our parents also did!) and not be prepared to educate themselves or listen to current thinking. But most people I know want to do the best for their grandchildren , we. maybe just need some help keeping up to date

WhatATediousPeacock · 18/01/2025 13:12

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Incorrect. Your 18mo may prefer it just as she may prefer riding her bike without a helmet when the time comes. It's your job as her parent to make the safest choice, however unpopular.

Please read the safety guidance for your DD's seat for her weight/height and do exactly what it says.

Gogogo12345 · 18/01/2025 13:12

JimHalpertsWife · 18/01/2025 08:28

Cot bumpers are unsafe yet available
Cigarettes are unsafe yet available
Alcohol is unsafe yet available

Forward facing car seats only have to he crash tested to something like 30 miles per hour. They are not the safest option for small children - rear facing as long as is possible, 3,4,5y plus absoloutley is multiple times safer than ff.

And FF car seats are much safer than none at all. It's all perspectives. If all FF seats were so dangerous every kid who had been in an accident ip to the last decade should be dead or severely injured from it as nearly ALL kids were forward facing from 9 months or a year

I've no doubt that rear facing maybe slightly safer in certain situations but saying FF is UNSAFE it's exaggerating

crostini · 18/01/2025 13:07

People are so evangelical about bloody car seats and make rear facing their child a major part of their personality Blush

Your child will be absolutely fine in the car with their grandma. Don't cause a problem.

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 18/01/2025 12:54

CarrotsAndCheese · 18/01/2025 11:44

Which car seat do you have that lasts until age 8, please? Our nearly 5 year old is rear-facing in a BeSafe Stretch, which I expect to last until she's about 6.5 as she's very tall. Thanks x

Yes we have a besafe stretch. My son is projected to be 125cm at age 8, and well under 36kg.

We also have an axkid one, which is good for 23kg/125cm so the younger sibling has that one.

WorriedAboutHurtingFeelings · 18/01/2025 12:38

@OMGitsnotgood actually I don't really see it as "my child, my rules" - when DD is with her grandma, I don't mind that normal mealtimes go to pot, DD is given a crazy amount of junk food and treats, and allowed to do things that she wouldn't be allowed to do at home. I'm very grateful to MIL for spending occasional time with DD and I would never impose any rules. But when it's potentially a safety issue, that's where I do feel I have to assert myself. MIL is very cavalier at times - I think she likes to counterpoint my protectiveness! MIL was a nurse years ago and often moans about current NHS advice and how it was much more sensible in her day . . . perhaps not considering that there's been a lot of research in the last few years and that's why new guidance is in place. She also gets most of her "facts" from Facebook Blush

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OMGitsnotgood · 18/01/2025 12:08

Clearly your child, your rules. Best way of dealing with it is to buy another car seat yourself for her to use - imagine the embarrassment if your MIL bought a rear facing one and there was something else about it you weren't happy with.

WorriedAboutHurtingFeelings · 18/01/2025 11:58

Oh wow - have been out for the morning and am surprised to see so many responses; just about to start reading them now. Thank you, everyone.

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DragonFly98 · 18/01/2025 11:57

Soontobe60 · 18/01/2025 08:26

It is true though. If it were not, then forward facing car seats would not be available to buy.

Cot bumpers are available to buy.

sashh · 18/01/2025 11:52

RoseChinaMug · 18/01/2025 08:44

Unpopular opinion here, all four of my children sat forward face, except as small babies.
They were all perfectly fine.
It’s only a fairly recent thing to rear face.

I think with my last one, a ridiculous man in Halfords, forced my child into a rear facing chair to test the size.

Because my child was really tall for his age, there was no way he could squeeze his legs into that space, and be comfortable and I refused, and also didn’t buy the car seat from him.

I travelled from Lancashire Dover then Calais to Spain in the tailgate of my dad's car.

I was fine because we were not involved in an accident.

DragonFly98 · 18/01/2025 11:51

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It’s not safe to rear face that young.

Babyybabyyy · 18/01/2025 11:47

BarbaraHoward · 18/01/2025 10:24

It is less safe - rear facing reduces the risk of a very rare event to a very very rare event. That doesn't make FF unsafe and at least one poster has said @Babyybabyyy was doing something unsafe when she isn't.

There are lots of reasons people FF:

  • space in the car (my DH couldn't move the driver's seat far enough back to drive with a rear facing 360 behind him - Astra, normal car)
  • travel sickness (had this one, awful)
  • screaming child (even worse than the sickness and dangerous too as you just can't concentrate on the road)
  • ERF seats are more expensive

Etc etc etc.

Like I said upthread, OP is perfectly reasonable to want her 18mo to rear face (that's what I wanted for mine at that age too!), but there's no need to vilify parents who make a different choice. No one's sending their children to play on the hard shoulder.

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Thank you! These are all the reasons I forward face my 18 month old. I'm following the law and her car seat is safe. The women having a go at me should never put their child in a car full stop due to the small risks of being in car accident.

Babyybabyyy · 18/01/2025 11:46

MusicalDoc · 18/01/2025 10:02

As a paediatric doctor who has worked in a paediatric emergency department receiving toddlers in car seats who were forward facing it is absolutely NOT safe even if you’re using a car seat.

please don’t give advice on something you aren’t certain of. It could put a children’s life and ability to lead a normal life at risk.

You need to go back to medical school if you're really a qualified medic. Forward facing is less safe but it isn't unsafe. Being in a car full stop is unsafe. Hopefully you tell your patients to never go in a car.

CarrotsAndCheese · 18/01/2025 11:44

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 18/01/2025 09:32

My 6.5 year old still rear faces, and will until he is 8. But when we go to MIL's, I don't make a fuss. She drives well and it's not very often.

Which car seat do you have that lasts until age 8, please? Our nearly 5 year old is rear-facing in a BeSafe Stretch, which I expect to last until she's about 6.5 as she's very tall. Thanks x

Basketballhoop · 18/01/2025 11:29

RF being safer (data pending) doesn't make FF unsafe, it makes it less safe. Every parent has to choose for themselves which risks they are willing to take, and where the line is for them personally. Life is inherently risky, we cannot eliminate all risk from every activity.

Eccle80 · 18/01/2025 11:17

PicaK · 18/01/2025 10:28

Mine are 10 and 15 now. We bought the best car seats cos we cared about safety. But they were forward facing. So I find myself rolling my eyes about your insistence they're only safe in backwards facing - can't help it - but equally I'm horrified at myself having the same reaction as my parents did when I explained the baby had to be fastened in every single time.
So tread carefully and delicately is what I'm saying. You have to acknowledge what a lovely thing it was she did. You're going to hurt her feelings a little. Be sure to put some blame on yourself. It's hard being a parent - you want to be sure you can never blame yourself if they're in a crash and you hadn't done all the safest things that could have been done. And make it really clear it's other drivers that keep you awake at night not her driving.

I feel the same too, mine are 16, 13 and nearly 9, we did have a 360 spin for the youngest and he stayed rear facing to maybe close to 2, so I do know things changed on rear facing, but both my older ones forward faced around 9 months and I remember someone I knew putting their 5 month old forward facing when my eldest was a baby because he was big.

Like you, reading this thread does make me feel a bit like the grandparents who rolled their eyes at baby led weaning when I did it 16 years ago, because I had no idea rear facing longer was now so common, and my instant reaction was the occasional trip with a grandparent was fine. So I definitely agree to handle it sensitively with her, don’t go in all guns blazing about it. Will she realistically be taking her out any time soon or very often? Would there be an age in future you’d be happy for her to use the seat with your MIL, eg over 2, so you could say you’d prefer your own seat until she is a bit bigger but her seat would be great when she is older, or would it never be suitable (and if so could she still return it?)

khaa2091 · 18/01/2025 11:17

IWillBeWaxingAnOwl · 18/01/2025 10:26

In testing, rear facing seats are safer (meaning less resulting severe injury and death). We use a RF for our 20month old.

You do need to think a bit about the safety in practice versus in testing - my parents (70s) really struggle to get little one in our rear facing in our car (Britax Max Safe Pro) because of the space to maneuver being much reduced. I wouldn't want them to use it without us there as I worry she wouldn't be in the correct position/have the straps done up tight enough. She still fits their rotating car seat to RF but once she doesn't we will need to have a think about what to replace it with. As others have said, some little ones undo straps - that happening and you not noticing is riskier than FF.

I did have to have an awkward conversation with my MIL about car seats and bought her an alternative and she took it really well. I started by saying I know she would never knowingly risk our little one.

One thing I'd like to note - a bunch of comments seem to suggest you are safer if it's short and closer to home journeys, are people not more likely to crash in these types of journey?

About being closer to home - you (and everyone else) are often travelling 15-20 mph, there is less chance of a high speed and therefore impact collision. I FF my 3 yr on trips to nursery / the supermarket but RF (in an ispin) if I am driving on dual carriageways / motorways etc.

emmypa · 18/01/2025 11:11

If you already have a RF seat she can use in her car, then just give it to her to use. Otherwise, buy another seat that is RF for her car. The FF seat your MIL got, either donate it or keep it for when your DC is older.

Hercisback1 · 18/01/2025 11:08

A Peugeot 508 is a relatively large car, not like a ford fiesta or Citroën c3. Of course it can fit 2 seats.