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To be glad they are upping efforts to find this mother

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AtlasPine · 18/01/2025 08:01

£20,000 offered in search for parents of three abandoned babies https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg00m1mv3eo

It seems quite likely to me that she is in a position of vulnerability and in need of a lot of help. For three pregnancies with no ensuing baby to go unnoticed by everyone around her suggests she may be held against her will. Also, they need to be able to get the third baby into an adoption situation asap to give her as much security as possible. Really hope someone comes forward - perhaps the reward will help.

A dark blue reusable Boots carrier bag, with the Boots logo written on it in white lettering, lies on the concrete next to some dried grass and foliage

£20,000 reward offered as police search for parents of three abandoned babies

Police appeal for information relating to three babies abandoned by the same parents shortly after birth in east London. A reward of £20,000 is also being offered by Crimestoppers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg00m1mv3eo

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paranoiaofpufflings · 17/05/2025 00:04

I’m not a detective. I’m just relaying the information I have heard through various news coverage. But the police don’t just randomly decide someone is in an area without good reason. I’m sure there is plenty of information known about this case that hasn’t been made public because the public don’t need to know.

Elsvieta · 16/05/2025 23:33

paranoiaofpufflings · 16/05/2025 23:10

@ElsvietaThey are sure of the location because of the lack of CCTV. Where the babies were left has no CCTV coverage. They checked CCTV covering the wider area and didn’t find any sight of them, so conclude they are coming from within the small area not covered. However I believe more CCTV has now been added in that area recently.

But if someone was planning to do something like this, might they not carry the baby in something like a big shopping bag, rather than a pram or sling or anything else that reads as "person with baby" on CCTV?

paranoiaofpufflings · 16/05/2025 23:10

@ElsvietaThey are sure of the location because of the lack of CCTV. Where the babies were left has no CCTV coverage. They checked CCTV covering the wider area and didn’t find any sight of them, so conclude they are coming from within the small area not covered. However I believe more CCTV has now been added in that area recently.

Elsvieta · 16/05/2025 21:53

Supersimkin7 · 15/05/2025 21:40

Incest? LD? Alcohol? More likely than Fritzl.

No info on whether the babies were born withdrawing from drugs or whether they’re NT.

If it was incest they'd be able to tell from the DNA testing (although whether they'd release that information at this stage is of course another question).

I think either SEN issues or maybe some sort of culturally-influenced thing, like she's in a community where having children while unmarried is not accepted, and she's in an illicit relationship. I mean, it's not usually people in stable long-term relationships who end up abandoning the babies. So if they all have the same father, there's something about the relationship that's being hidden. And if she doesn't live with him (like maybe because he's married) or even see him on a very regular basis, it's just about possible he doesn't even know about the babies / had no involvement in dumping them.

Elsvieta · 16/05/2025 21:44

arcticpandas · 15/05/2025 20:44

They look very Black to me so African. I don't know if you can determine country though, I don't think so?

Oh yes. With the child torso in the Thames case ("Adam") they were able to narrow it down to South-West Nigeria.

Not sure why they're so sure she's living in this one small bit of London though. I reckon if I were trying to abandon a child (or anything else) and not be traced, I'd walk at least a mile or two from home.

Superhansrantowindsor · 16/05/2025 18:37

Katherineryan1986 · 16/05/2025 18:33

How very sad. I hope they find the mother and are able to reunite her with her babies.

I really think they need to do a lot of investigation into the circumstances before they reunite them IF the mother is ever found.

Katherineryan1986 · 16/05/2025 18:33

How very sad. I hope they find the mother and are able to reunite her with her babies.

JohnTheRevelator · 16/05/2025 15:24

I'm glad they said today that the woman may be being 'restrained from coming forward' rather than just not wanting to,and that they said the mother was a 'victim'.

deeahgwitch · 16/05/2025 14:52

I fully agree with you that the public do not need to know about this search. A softly softly approach is needed so the “perpetrator” is not scared off, be it the mother or someone controlling her.

We have a case in Ireland where a newborn baby was found on a beach in Kerry stabbed 28 times in 1984. It took almost 40 years but they found the parents, in their late 50s and early 60s, still living locally, via DNA from a sample given voluntarily by their son.
The case is still being investigated.
The father of the mother of the baby was an Irish police officer apparently, we now know but didn’t know when there was a big investigation many years back into the whole case and the wrongful arrest of an innocent woman and her family.
Google The Kerry Baby case for more information on it. Utterly heartbreaking. 🥲
As is this case.

GRex · 16/05/2025 08:19

JHound · 16/05/2025 07:07

I really don’t see how.

Identifying for example that both parents are Somali, or both Yoruba, would narrow down the number of possible households. Even in London there are only a few '00,000 Somalis, possoble 10k Yoruba, and the majority won't be living in that specific area.

I don't think the general public need to know about this search, police should work to find the parents and then see what is going on before publicising things that may create more chaos. What if a range of families in that area suddenly start moving due to fear of police action? Or the mother is put at risk and moved? Or other women start being suspected who are not the mother? There is a real risk of unintended consequences. Appreciate they want to "save" a possible future baby, but this doesn't seem like a sensible approach.

NOTANUM · 16/05/2025 08:06

On how they’ve identified 400 houses, it’s probably because there is other functioning CCTV in the area. I know places that are constrained because of park railings or train lines meaning that the in and out points are clear.

KenAdams · 16/05/2025 07:31

I hope the police making search details public doesn't jeopardise her but I suspect they have the area under surveillance so might help to flush her out or whoever is holding her to make a move.

pinkstripeycat · 16/05/2025 07:13

JHound · 15/05/2025 21:00

They shared their photos so the children are black. But without knowing the parents their ethnicity is unknown.

When the 3rd baby was found the police reported that they’d make sure parents were both of African background

pinkstripeycat · 16/05/2025 07:11

oakleaffy · 18/01/2025 08:07

Those poor children- It doesn’t say what ethnicity the parents are- this might help narrow the search down a little?
It’s concerning that contraception isn’t being used, and the mother is likely giving birth without any medical intervention-
It says they have a full DNA profile of the mother.

Crazy that the siblings aren’t able to have a relationship because of the police investigation.

They are. When the 3rd baby was found the authorities said they’d make sure they would be in contact as they grew up.

Agix · 16/05/2025 07:10

CapitalAtRisk · 15/05/2025 21:31

Oh come on. If you are imprisoning a woman, do you go out and abandon your babies in public places?

Do we even know if all the babies have the same father?

I am guessing that the mother has SEN issues, and keeps getting pregnant without being able to deal with it.

Edited

They have had a DNA test, and are full siblings. As in, same mother and father.

JHound · 16/05/2025 07:07

B1indEye · 16/05/2025 07:00

Doesn't it go without saying that the more they know about the ethnicity of the children the more it might speed up the search for the parents?

I'm sure all possible tests will have been done to narrow things down.

I'm j intrigued as to how they identified such a specific number of houses they think the parents live in

I really don’t see how.

JHound · 16/05/2025 07:07

LaurieFairyCake · 16/05/2025 07:05

I heard this on the news yesterday and I was actually wondering why they had said so much information about her being in likely 400 houses

if shes in an incredibly vulnerable situation surely covertly/discreetly searching the houses for someone kept against their will is a possibility ? Or another vulnerable situation?

I really don’t want them to publish her ethnicity

I think it would put her in more danger.

LaurieFairyCake · 16/05/2025 07:05

I heard this on the news yesterday and I was actually wondering why they had said so much information about her being in likely 400 houses

if shes in an incredibly vulnerable situation surely covertly/discreetly searching the houses for someone kept against their will is a possibility ? Or another vulnerable situation?

I really don’t want them to publish her ethnicity

B1indEye · 16/05/2025 07:00

JHound · 16/05/2025 06:22

For whom? It’s not going to assist the neighbourhood at large.

Doesn't it go without saying that the more they know about the ethnicity of the children the more it might speed up the search for the parents?

I'm sure all possible tests will have been done to narrow things down.

I'm j intrigued as to how they identified such a specific number of houses they think the parents live in

NOTANUM · 16/05/2025 06:41

There is clearly more to this than the police are saying (rightly).
It is possible that the mother knows children are not safe in their home, maybe due to the potential for abuse - she might have been a child in that home - or because they’re not “allowed” if it’s a domestic service scenario.
There have been some high profile court cases where people imprison people they bring from their home county and coerce them into staying as they have no money or visa.
It sounds like the mum is suffering regardless and I hope they find her soon.

BeachRide · 16/05/2025 06:26

MamaLenny · 15/05/2025 21:44

This story has disturbed me for a while. I remember one of the babies was initially named Elsa because she was freezing cold when found, don't understand why anyone thought that would be a nice name to give her.

Agreed. I thought it was inappropriate.

JHound · 16/05/2025 06:22

JSMill · 15/05/2025 22:43

It would narrow the field of potential parents. Pretty obvious really.

For whom? It’s not going to assist the neighbourhood at large.

cadburyegg · 16/05/2025 00:28

I agree. It is tragic. A very worrying situation. I am glad the babies are safe, of course, but I worry for the mother.

JSMill · 15/05/2025 22:43

JHound · 15/05/2025 21:27

I don’t really see how it would assist in the search.

It would narrow the field of potential parents. Pretty obvious really.

JHound · 15/05/2025 21:59

CapitalAtRisk · 15/05/2025 21:38

Thanks. I did not know that. But I will say again - if you are holding the mother hostage, why would you take the babies out to dispose of them?

It is so horrific. And it makes so little sense.

I think Fritzl did that (except he abadoned them on his doorstep.)

The abandoner probably isn’t heartless enough to kill a baby but also knows keeping them is not possible.

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