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To feel a bit like everyone hates me when I'm a British tourist in Europe now

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:23

I try with the language, I try not to get in people's way, I tip and I don't complain.

But everything still feels much more hostile than it used to.

OP posts:
Redcandlescandal · 18/01/2025 11:07

No I haven’t experienced this anywhere. I was in Spain in October and Italy in November. No hostility at all, despite my shit language skills and very Celtic appearance.

Kaaardiffgalnow · 18/01/2025 11:04

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:36

I thought the same thing but decided to leave it.

This thread is hilariously stupid

There's a considerable Latin influence on Welsh, that's the strong link to Romance languages.

But, hey, even if you don't speak or understand Welsh, don't let that hold you back from dismissing those that do reap the benefits of bilingualism.

And then wonder why the English have a reputation for arrogance at home and abroad.

Shubbypubby · 18/01/2025 11:03

If you're white British and they're white Europeans, it's not racism surely?

Longma · 18/01/2025 10:59

LlynTegid · 17/01/2025 17:56

I make every effort not to be identified as coming from these shores, since the self inflicted economic harm of Brexit. If I don't know enough of the local language at a restaurant say, I ask if I can have the menu in French. I wear things that do not identify me as coming from these shores.

I've not had open hostility but I don't go away wanting to talk about Brexit or what I think of some aspect of UK politics.

As I previously mentioned - I go away fairly regularly and often we end up , passing pleasantries, etc with locals. However I've never once been asked about uk politics or similar. Similarly I don't ask about the politics in their country, would seem an odd conversation starter with a stranger to me.

I suspect it's very obvious that I'm British.
But still never had anyone seem very interested in such things, especially in Europe.

KarminaBurana · 18/01/2025 10:54

Everythingisnumbersnow · 18/01/2025 10:26

Hahaha Scottish is British for everyone outside the UK sorry (a whole other thread 🤣)

Scottish is British.

Longma · 18/01/2025 10:51

I haven't experienced this at all.

We go to Switzerland fairly regularly at the moment and always feel welcome.

We travel to Europe and further afield in holidays a few times each year and again - never had any hostility at all. Always felt welcome.

Scirocco · 18/01/2025 10:50

Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

I know this isn't what Romance means in linguistics, but now I've got the 'Fancy Restaurant' episode of Bluey in my head. "It's very romance".

Snakeoilmaks · 18/01/2025 10:46

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:49

Yes the Mediterranean "guiri go home" thing is racism.

Obviously I am lucky to be able to go home some people are stuck living and working among people who dislike them.

I live in Spain, not stuck here. Some people like me, some people don’t. This is life ! Have a good attitude and if you find hostility or rudeness then don’t return 🤔

saveforthat · 18/01/2025 10:46

I went to Europe several times last year and never experienced any hostility. Completely the opposite. I'm English.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/01/2025 10:45

Solaire18381 · 17/01/2025 21:37

I don't find that at all but I guess it depends where you go. If it's resort in a holiday area, I find a lot of the staff are from elsewhere anyway, not necessarily the EU.

Ditto to this. In Cyprus with friends once (he is a dual Brit/Greek Cypriot) I wondered why he was speaking to a waiter in English, rather than Greek.
Waiter was Bulgarian! (But v likely did speak pretty good Greek anyway.)

Funnily enough, when in Provincetown (US Cape Cod) we also once had a Bulgarian waiter, who told us he came every summer season (which is pretty short in CC) to help fund his studies.

HazelTheDormouse · 18/01/2025 10:38

If a shop, restaurant or tourist resort are treating you with contempt, just don’t go there. Don’t give them your money. Vote with your feet. There’s no way I’d spend my hard earned cash there.

There are lots of places that will welcome your money. If the Spanish don’t want us there, don’t go. Why on earth would you go on holiday, for a rest, to people shouting obscenities at you, with placards, and squirting water pistols at you?

Of course many Brits are horrible abroad, but let them all crack on with each other and you go somewhere you are welcome. I’m never planning on going to Spain again. I’ve been there loads of times and I won’t cry into my pillow if I don’t go again. I’m respectful and polite when I’m there so I’m not going to entertain any crap as a tourist. I’ll go to other places and not have to worry about my safety or being verbally abused.

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:38

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:37

I'm starting to see why you experience hostility from strangers.

You must be confusing me with another poster. I don't receive hostility.

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:37

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:36

Reasons being?
That for me ?

If I list of the reasons why here, you'll only get annoyed and try to deny them 🤣..or tell me those Greeks are frightfully rude people .

I'm starting to see why you experience hostility from strangers.

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:36

Reasons being?
That for me ?

If I list of the reasons why here, you'll only get annoyed and try to deny them 🤣..or tell me those Greeks are frightfully rude people .

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:36

Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

I thought the same thing but decided to leave it.

This thread is hilariously stupid

Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:34

Reasons being?

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:34

It's literally just because the Irish (and Welsh and Scottish) are seen as underdogs. And everyone loves an underdog.

Well no, they give lots of reasons why. For you it may just coz were underdogs but they have a lot of reasons why..

Kaaardiffgalnow · 18/01/2025 10:33

SnoopysHoose · 17/01/2025 22:20

We are Scottish and travel a lot, I have found when people ask 'are you English?' we reply no Scottish and the attitude changes and we're made very welcome.
I think English tourists often have a poor image abroad.

We're Welsh and it's the same for us.

We also have a decent grasp of several European languages between us. That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

HRTQueen · 18/01/2025 10:32

This is where our history of being so important in the world still very much remains in our culture that so many think that others care/give much thought to Britain and being British

we simply are not

cultural differences and comments about them are a part of interacting with other people in different countries it’s is normal, if you are respectful and polite you will more often than not be treated with respect and politeness

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:32

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:22

We were on holidays in Lanzorate for christmas, found staff a bit reserved and not that friendly, they asked where we were from and we said ireland, all smiles, said we thought you were English, we don't like English, drink too much and always trouble so possibly OP is experiencing this although totally not fair as obviously they are totally generalising, sad to say its not the first time this has been said to us over the years, just don't think English have a good reputation abroad which I agree is totally unfair

DP is French and speaks many languages so often people cant place where he is from but we speak in English together. On holidays they'll always give me an English menu then proceed to ask which part of England I am from. When I tell them I'm Irish, they completely change their attitudes, they usually say something moany and eyerolly about English people. I'm not making this up. I know it annoys people to read it, but it's true. Happens a LOT.

It's literally just because the Irish (and Welsh and Scottish) are seen as underdogs. And everyone loves an underdog.

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:30

I have explained what I think above. I don't know for sure but nobody ever, ever gets it wrong

What's hilarious about mumsnet is, if your experiences upset or offend anyone,they'll just gaslight you and deny that your reality exists! 🤣🤦‍♀️
We have greek friends who work in hospitality, its a normal thing for them on slow working days to play "Spot the English" The Greeks also get eye rolly when Italians come in as they often buy one drink between two, or nothing at all and want to split the bill 16 ways.
Stereotypes are everywhere, even if you don't like it, they exist for a reason, people see it.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 18/01/2025 10:26

KarminaBurana · 18/01/2025 10:13

No, "above" tells me that you're Scottish.
Anyway. Experiences vary, clearly.

Hahaha Scottish is British for everyone outside the UK sorry (a whole other thread 🤣)

OP posts:
Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:22

We were on holidays in Lanzorate for christmas, found staff a bit reserved and not that friendly, they asked where we were from and we said ireland, all smiles, said we thought you were English, we don't like English, drink too much and always trouble so possibly OP is experiencing this although totally not fair as obviously they are totally generalising, sad to say its not the first time this has been said to us over the years, just don't think English have a good reputation abroad which I agree is totally unfair

DP is French and speaks many languages so often people cant place where he is from but we speak in English together. On holidays they'll always give me an English menu then proceed to ask which part of England I am from. When I tell them I'm Irish, they completely change their attitudes, they usually say something moany and eyerolly about English people. I'm not making this up. I know it annoys people to read it, but it's true. Happens a LOT.

CuddlyDodoToy · 18/01/2025 10:22

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:40

I'm sure it's real but then it's also possible I just give off unlikeable vibes and it has nothings to do with being British!

If you expect people to be hostile you will perceive any normal irritation or impatience, that you might experience anywhere, as confirming your expectation.

Also, your belief that Europeans will be hostile towards you might be making you defensive and affecting how you engage with them. If you approach people with the expectation they will be pleasant and helpful, your experience will probably change.

I am a frequent visitor to a number of countries in Europe and I occasionally meet grumpy, impatient people, just as I do in the UK. I have never experienced the kind of hostility you describe though.

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