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To feel a bit like everyone hates me when I'm a British tourist in Europe now

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:23

I try with the language, I try not to get in people's way, I tip and I don't complain.

But everything still feels much more hostile than it used to.

OP posts:
GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/01/2025 18:00

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:38

Go into a bakery to order some cakes - the guy behind the counter replies in English WHAT? Angrily bags up my request. No smile. Impatient body language. Obviously dislikes me being there (this has happened in a few different branches of the same bakery as I really like the cakes 🤣)

I guess it's just experiencing a mild touch of racism and maybe it's good for me to remember that some people have to put up with it at home and I should try to remember to make life easier for folk where I can

Was that in France? You’re expected to say Bonjour! before asking for your croissants or whatever. I dare say other countries are the same.

ItGhoul · 17/01/2025 17:59

I haven't found this at all. My last holidays in Europe have been in Italy, France and Denmark and people were perfectly fine. People often claim Parisians are rude, but literally every waiter, receptionist, shop assistant etc that we spoke to there was honestly lovely. And also appreciative that I made an effort to use French.

When we were in Italy the proprietor of a cafe we were getting a drink in was complaining to us about American tourists and saying that he always finds English tourists very easy and polite.

dynamiccactus · 17/01/2025 17:57

Upstartled · 17/01/2025 17:39

I only see the op complaining - everybody else seems to be enjoying their travels as they always have.

I think they are a bit more intelligent than that, given that close to 50% of us voted against leaving the EU.

LlynTegid · 17/01/2025 17:56

I make every effort not to be identified as coming from these shores, since the self inflicted economic harm of Brexit. If I don't know enough of the local language at a restaurant say, I ask if I can have the menu in French. I wear things that do not identify me as coming from these shores.

I've not had open hostility but I don't go away wanting to talk about Brexit or what I think of some aspect of UK politics.

GabriellaMontez · 17/01/2025 17:55

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 17:03

I feel like this kind of attitude is sort of the problem...

Everything I've read about protests in barcelona and the balearics was focused on tourists using airbnbs and forcing locals out of the housing market.

Where have you got the idea that people object to tourists spending lots of money?

KarminaBurana · 17/01/2025 17:54

Charlottejbt · 17/01/2025 17:48

I think that's just French customer service for you. Was it Marie Blachère?

I haven't been to Spain for donkey's years and wouldn't be keen to go back. My experience on that occasion was that people were generally quite rude and arsey, possibly exacerbated by the heat and crowding. More than happy to leave that sort of thing to people who enjoy it!

Spain is a wonderful country, so varied. I'd recommend Madrid and also Bilbao. In my experience, everyone was very friendly and welcoming.

mucky123 · 17/01/2025 17:53

My parents live in spain (now just mum). I don't speak Spanish but have to go there quite regularly since they got older. I find there has been a marked turn in attitudes and friendliness of locals. Obviously a reasonable percentage are still lovely but many more now are openly hostile.

Overthebow · 17/01/2025 17:52

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:38

Go into a bakery to order some cakes - the guy behind the counter replies in English WHAT? Angrily bags up my request. No smile. Impatient body language. Obviously dislikes me being there (this has happened in a few different branches of the same bakery as I really like the cakes 🤣)

I guess it's just experiencing a mild touch of racism and maybe it's good for me to remember that some people have to put up with it at home and I should try to remember to make life easier for folk where I can

I’ve never experienced this, I travel quite a lot and most people are very friendly and helpful.

crackofdoom · 17/01/2025 17:49

MudpiesinEssex · 17/01/2025 17:35

I was advised that as a Brit I should wear tight dark clothing, so Mediterranean people wouldn't think I was German.

Don't they have goths in Germany?

PiggyPigalle · 17/01/2025 17:48

Copernicus321 · 17/01/2025 17:14

I think perhaps we are a little more self-conscious now that we've voted for Brexit. Possibly we subconsciously think that because we voted out that somehow we think all europeans are judging us? I spend quite a bit of time in Spain (our daughter is now resident there with her DP and his Spanish family). In the Spanish areas I visit, the British are viewed with pity and bewilderment that we would have done this to ourselves. In the more touristy areas of Spain, so many of the British they meet are the boorish types that you need to get beyond that expectation before they realise they are dealing with a pleasant Brit for a change. As for the French (I was born and brought up there), if you are polite, respect their culture and attempt to speak French they can be delightful but get on the wrong side of them, oh dear. However, this has always been the case and it's not just Brexit.

Edited

We lost £85 billion, Spain gained 95 due to EU. Maybe that's why they're puzzled, at us being so profligate.

Charlottejbt · 17/01/2025 17:48

I think that's just French customer service for you. Was it Marie Blachère?

I haven't been to Spain for donkey's years and wouldn't be keen to go back. My experience on that occasion was that people were generally quite rude and arsey, possibly exacerbated by the heat and crowding. More than happy to leave that sort of thing to people who enjoy it!

HungryBored · 17/01/2025 17:47

zzplex · 17/01/2025 16:31

Didn't someone else post the same topic a few weeks ago?

Yes probably. There are thousands of users here and new people join every day. I always wonder what people hope to achieve by this kind of comment?

NPET · 17/01/2025 17:47

Upstartled · 17/01/2025 17:39

I only see the op complaining - everybody else seems to be enjoying their travels as they always have.

Sorry, it's the op I'm referring to.

Sugarfish · 17/01/2025 17:40

WarmthAndDepth · 17/01/2025 17:36

When I last went to my homecountry with my English family, people commiserated and expressed their regret that we were no longer part of the EU. Nobody was unkind or hostile though.

Yeah, same. I’ve had sympathy shown towards me over Brexit but never hostility. Also had a lot of jokes about the number of PMs we’ve had in recent years, but not in a nasty way.

ohtowinthelottery · 17/01/2025 17:39

I travelled extensively through Spain, Italy, France, Switzerland and Belgium last year and did not experience any hostility. On the contrary we found most people to be extremely friendly and helpful even where there was a language barrier.
And yes, from reading Google news feeds before travelling, I could easily have believed we would encounter hostility as I did travel to places where there had been protests about tourists - but I saw none of it.

Upstartled · 17/01/2025 17:39

NPET · 17/01/2025 17:32

After Brexit I'm surprised they'll even talk to us, so I don't think you can complain!!

I only see the op complaining - everybody else seems to be enjoying their travels as they always have.

TorroFerney · 17/01/2025 17:39

zzplex · 17/01/2025 16:31

Didn't someone else post the same topic a few weeks ago?

Yes. It was rubbish then and it is now in my opinion. Agree with another poster you are taking in what the ref tops are telling you.

Wingedharpy · 17/01/2025 17:39

MudpiesinEssex · 17/01/2025 17:35

I was advised that as a Brit I should wear tight dark clothing, so Mediterranean people wouldn't think I was German.

Was that advice from a kinky ex @MudpiesinEssex ?

NormasArse · 17/01/2025 17:39

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:38

Go into a bakery to order some cakes - the guy behind the counter replies in English WHAT? Angrily bags up my request. No smile. Impatient body language. Obviously dislikes me being there (this has happened in a few different branches of the same bakery as I really like the cakes 🤣)

I guess it's just experiencing a mild touch of racism and maybe it's good for me to remember that some people have to put up with it at home and I should try to remember to make life easier for folk where I can

I had that once in Northumberland- there are arses all over the world- Britain included.

Thankfully, there are also nice people.

I’m on holiday in France now- most people have gone out of their way to be friendly and helpful.

Greyish2025 · 17/01/2025 17:36

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:55

Absolutely everyone always knows I'm British before I open my mouth. I look so British I could be the face of the British tourist board (except that it wouldn't be very alluring to visitors)

Do you honestly think that the standard of customer service that you receive in Britain is better than you receive abroad?

WarmthAndDepth · 17/01/2025 17:36

When I last went to my homecountry with my English family, people commiserated and expressed their regret that we were no longer part of the EU. Nobody was unkind or hostile though.

MudpiesinEssex · 17/01/2025 17:35

I was advised that as a Brit I should wear tight dark clothing, so Mediterranean people wouldn't think I was German.

NPET · 17/01/2025 17:32

After Brexit I'm surprised they'll even talk to us, so I don't think you can complain!!

crackofdoom · 17/01/2025 17:32

Nope, everywhere seems fine to me. The rudeness/ friendliness ratio remains pretty constant, and is about on a par with what I encounter at home. The only exception I would say is Marseille, where we spent a few days in October, where I found people very friendly and chatty (I speak French).

The majority of people you encounter are of course neither rude nor friendly, just doing their own thing.

Top tip: if you want to make friends with people I can recommend having a serious asthma attack on a German train. Felt like I was first name terms with the whole carriage by the time we got off in Munich 😳

Wingedharpy · 17/01/2025 17:30

Perhaps your bakery man couldn't hear or understand you op - hence the "WHAT? "
And maybe your interpretation of "angrily" bagging up of your goods was his version of quickly and efficient?
Pay no heed.
There are odd balls everywhere - including ourselves at times.

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