Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think London is in a major decline?

642 replies

Phannyphart · 17/01/2025 12:07

I’ve lived in London (zone 2) for 10+ years. It’s always been pretty ‘real’ here but since the end of covid really everywhere just seems so, so awful.
Dog shit everywhere, spit everywhere, council owned parks closed and locked, people littering more than ever before. Get on a bus and it’s just people screaming in to a FaceTime on top volume, people blasting TikTok. Kids being stabbed in broad daylight, people shooting up heroin near the nearby primary school. The area has a lot going for it but it really seems wherever I go there is an awful decline.
Has anybody feeling the same actually moved out? Do you regret it?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
5
Ywyt3 · 19/01/2025 17:23

I don’t know - Muswell Hill (zone 3) is still pretty good. Plus, after just visiting New York - London is doing well! NY is dire.

VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 17:23

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:26

I was on a bus in a queue on park lane recently.
There's an encampment of rough sleepers in the central reservation and a woman came out of a tent, bent over at the waist, pulling up her skirt, and urinated. In full view of everyone going by.
I don't care what her problems are, I just don't think it should happen.
Personally, I would clear out all the people in the tents and burn them down.
But I do expect the council to make some kind of an effort.
It feels like the 3rd world in some part of the city.

Although to be fair men have been pissing in the streets for centuries

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 17:21

How do you feel about men pissing on the street regularly?
How do you think I feel? Delighted/depressed ?
What a weird question

Pamosonic · 19/01/2025 17:13

London is an absolute toilet these days. Even the touristy bits are getting a bit bad now. Law and order in this country is non existent people just do what they want with no retribution.

Coldanddamp · 19/01/2025 17:09

I'm not sure the OP was referring to outer London/Surrey borders? But I may be wrong.

Ffjebrofw · 19/01/2025 17:05

Coldanddamp · 19/01/2025 17:02

<admires a passing deer>

In central or inner London?!

I assume Richmond's park?

Coldanddamp · 19/01/2025 17:02

<admires a passing deer>

In central or inner London?!

SkaterGrrrrl · 19/01/2025 16:58

All is well here in leafy SW London so YABU.

<admires a passing deer>

justteanbiscuits · 19/01/2025 15:19

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:32

Tbh I don't care. Why should I?

How do you feel about men pissing on the street regularly? A friend had to literally step in a massive puddle of piss to get to her office after the last 'we love tommeh' demo in Westminster

Ffjebrofw · 19/01/2025 15:04

Having said this I still love South Kensington

Whammyyammy · 19/01/2025 15:03

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 14:10

Horses for courses, I can see some will be put off. Is where you live pretty @Whammyyammy ? Not being sarky just interested

Yes. I live in a rural village near Bsth.

DoubleShotEspresso · 19/01/2025 13:57

Born and bred Londoner here.

I think many areas such as Brixton and Herne Hill are unrecognisable versus their time in the 80's. Though they've seen much improvement, they have lost much of their soul and individuality, but are unaffordable to many Londoners.

The relentless stream of pointless chicken shops/nail salons/barbers and phone shops is depressing, in that so many areas are just now duplicates of each other.

Agree Greenwich & Blackheath are great- though this overlooks neighbouring Woolwich which is my idea of hell to visit. So much money has been poured in there, yet it gets worse daily. But there's never ever any thought as to why this is.

Homelessness, drugs/knife crime and gangs are a worry often discussed amongst friends. Many have or will leave their part of London when their children reach teenage / secondary years. We don't have that option as this is where our family is.

I do think there has been decimating change to East London, very detrimental to the community that was so brilliant, inspiring & fun before. I have big roots/connections there so this is deeply sad to see. Shoreditch is a cesspit mostly, though Spitafields has vastly improved.
I do think there are many conversations which should be positively held, but most are just afraid of saying the wrong thing and local councils too keen to be seen as doing the right thing, the result being a real decline in community cohesion and also safety.

I would never leave, but am sad that our children are unable to explore London as I did unhindered at q young age. Everything needs planning, risk assessing and generally just loads of consideration.
We have a mayor failing but knighted- and a police service unable to cope, too low in numbers and calibre to be effective. It's so sad.

Having said all this, I have no desire to leave and cannot think of anywhere else in the country I would want to live.

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:56

No. That's just your pov.
I believe that I have paid my taxes, and contributed to Society all my life. In return, I believe that the people I pay taxes to should maintain my environment.
There has been a long lasting problem with Roma encampments in this area. The authorities seem to be incapable of dealing with it. Why is this? IMO an excessive concern for that community 's rights.

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 13:40

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:32

Tbh I don't care. Why should I?

That's a really foolish response and part of the reason we have these sort of social problems now! You should care, for various reasons. Perhaps the only one that will appeal to you though is that they might turn up in your own neighbourhood and start camping there instead.

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:32

Tbh I don't care. Why should I?

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 13:29

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:26

I was on a bus in a queue on park lane recently.
There's an encampment of rough sleepers in the central reservation and a woman came out of a tent, bent over at the waist, pulling up her skirt, and urinated. In full view of everyone going by.
I don't care what her problems are, I just don't think it should happen.
Personally, I would clear out all the people in the tents and burn them down.
But I do expect the council to make some kind of an effort.
It feels like the 3rd world in some part of the city.

Obviously that was disgusting but where are you going to clear all these people out to? Are you planning to provide them with some housing to stop them urinating on the streets?

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:26

I was on a bus in a queue on park lane recently.
There's an encampment of rough sleepers in the central reservation and a woman came out of a tent, bent over at the waist, pulling up her skirt, and urinated. In full view of everyone going by.
I don't care what her problems are, I just don't think it should happen.
Personally, I would clear out all the people in the tents and burn them down.
But I do expect the council to make some kind of an effort.
It feels like the 3rd world in some part of the city.

Fridayfridaycatsandblamange · 19/01/2025 13:18

East Dulwich is quite different to Dulwich. On another note I drove through there yesterday and it's one of the few places I have seen lately that has a really nice and thriving high street.

dontcryformeargentina · 19/01/2025 13:01

Rewindpresse · 19/01/2025 10:09

Where on earth do you live? I’ve never heard of anything like this and have friends and colleagues all over the city.

Its happening in Clapham and Dulwich areas. You must be lucky if it didn’t affect your friends and family.

DoodlesMam · 19/01/2025 12:48

lived there since 1990. It goes up and down but its on a down at the moment. Too much stabbing robbing and those bikes and scooters on the pavements are lethal.

Snakebite61 · 19/01/2025 11:01

Phannyphart · 17/01/2025 12:07

I’ve lived in London (zone 2) for 10+ years. It’s always been pretty ‘real’ here but since the end of covid really everywhere just seems so, so awful.
Dog shit everywhere, spit everywhere, council owned parks closed and locked, people littering more than ever before. Get on a bus and it’s just people screaming in to a FaceTime on top volume, people blasting TikTok. Kids being stabbed in broad daylight, people shooting up heroin near the nearby primary school. The area has a lot going for it but it really seems wherever I go there is an awful decline.
Has anybody feeling the same actually moved out? Do you regret it?

14 years of tory government has ruined the whole country. The voting public are at a new level of stupid these days.
Just imagine if reform got in. It would be like trumpland. Finished.

TessTimoney · 19/01/2025 10:59

Blame Brexit!

GreensAreGoodForYou · 19/01/2025 10:43

Phannyphart · 17/01/2025 12:07

I’ve lived in London (zone 2) for 10+ years. It’s always been pretty ‘real’ here but since the end of covid really everywhere just seems so, so awful.
Dog shit everywhere, spit everywhere, council owned parks closed and locked, people littering more than ever before. Get on a bus and it’s just people screaming in to a FaceTime on top volume, people blasting TikTok. Kids being stabbed in broad daylight, people shooting up heroin near the nearby primary school. The area has a lot going for it but it really seems wherever I go there is an awful decline.
Has anybody feeling the same actually moved out? Do you regret it?

Yes, 100%. I grew up in Ealing ‘Queen of the Suburbs’ but for the last 20 years have visited yearly to see family. The difference is shocking. People doing drugs in the bushes in the parks, people sleeping rough, everyone smoking cannabis everywhere without concern, litter everywhere, shops boarded up etc. I honestly don’t know why it’s gone this way. Some locals say the council is at fault, others say it’s because houses have been made into flats (so there’s more people all on lower incomes? Not sure), and of course blame is always thrown at ‘non-Brits’. It seems to me that there are more wealthy people living here (but not shopping here) and more rock-bottom poor drug/homeless/no work people, but fewer middle or working class. Why though? Dunno. It’s a mystery to me.

ojdolnipl · 19/01/2025 10:29

Again...just because things got better doesn't mean it also doesn't feel dodgy. Here East Dulwich https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/24755349.east-dulwich-named-one-uks-burglary-hotspots/. Dulwich village and Herne Hill have parent patrols - kids got mugged lots for their phones. Yes, it's now a relatively gentified area at the same time as people feel insecure.

South east London area is burglary hotspot despite being 'best place to live'

East Dulwich has one of the areas with the highest burglary rates in the UK - despite also being named as one of the "best places to live".

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/24755349.east-dulwich-named-one-uks-burglary-hotspots

ChessorBuckaroo · 19/01/2025 10:20

Beryls · 17/01/2025 12:31

I can only speak as a tourist but it had been quite a few years since I'd been to London when I went last year. From social media etc I fully expected to be stabbed on arrival, robbed, see marauding gangs waving machetes or be caught up in a Palestine march.

Needless to say none of that happened. I felt really safe, even at night. It was clean as any capital city and my God, as someone from far up north, what I'd give to be able to get around on public transport the way you can in London!

Obviously that's only central London I'm talking about, not outside of there but nowhere is perfect.

When I went to Edinburgh before christmas I had the opposite experience, I didn't feel safe at all, drunks and druggies all over the place, got accosted by someone shouting about Palestine and then a man was demanding I go back into my hotel (as didn't have cash on me) to get him some money for a sandwich. Compared to the previous times I'd been to Edingurgh I really noticed a change for thr worse. I'm also sure that's not everyone's experience but it put me off.

All places have pros and cons but I thought London was brilliant.

Completely echo this. My first time in London last year and loved it. Was also surprised how friendly it is for a big city. Was in the underground and needed time to figure out what I was doing so had to stand still for a few seconds and the wave of people that flowed past was quite a shock, and a few would bump into me and apologise when it was me who was in the way.

I'm a history buff and the place is teeming with history. The blue plaque scheme (which I believe started in the late 19th century) was a great idea as you get to see the location of where famous people lived and historic events happened.

Use wikipedia a lot and the London article is one of my favourites. Such a great city. If you go to the policing and crime section and press the link to other major cities around the world you also see how much safer London is by comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London

London - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London