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To think London is in a major decline?

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Phannyphart · 17/01/2025 12:07

I’ve lived in London (zone 2) for 10+ years. It’s always been pretty ‘real’ here but since the end of covid really everywhere just seems so, so awful.
Dog shit everywhere, spit everywhere, council owned parks closed and locked, people littering more than ever before. Get on a bus and it’s just people screaming in to a FaceTime on top volume, people blasting TikTok. Kids being stabbed in broad daylight, people shooting up heroin near the nearby primary school. The area has a lot going for it but it really seems wherever I go there is an awful decline.
Has anybody feeling the same actually moved out? Do you regret it?

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VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 20:22

Fridayfridaycatsandblamange · 19/01/2025 19:58

My oldest friend moved to Shoreditch (in social housing) 25 years ago and would 100% agree with this.

Well i guess there are good parts and bad parts in all areas

Coldanddamp · 19/01/2025 20:10

Now we have Starmer and his corrupt lot making life more expensive for “working people” (although I’d love to know who they mean by that).

Er what did the Tories do for working people?

JHound · 19/01/2025 20:09

OldScribbler · 19/01/2025 10:13

Two contradictory stats and yours don’t support your earlier claim.

Fridayfridaycatsandblamange · 19/01/2025 19:58

DoubleShotEspresso · 19/01/2025 17:47

@VoodooRajin
Yes Shoreditch is a cesspit. Rubbish from all the nightspits/overt drug use is ridiculous.
People being physically sick/urinating in the streets.
Takeaways and restaurants stacking rubbish the height of a van daily and the markets/surtounding streets are vile.
Gentrified is not a word I would apply to Shoreditch.
Overpriced most certainly, but nowhere close to being gentrified!

My oldest friend moved to Shoreditch (in social housing) 25 years ago and would 100% agree with this.

User32459 · 19/01/2025 19:49

Carpedimum · 19/01/2025 17:29

We’re witnessing the breakdown of society, it’s going to speed up and get a lot worse. Depressing but no point being delusional and pretending everything is fine.

It's like the Bonnie Blue thing. There's a 'last days of Rome' feel about the UK in terms of crime, debauchery and cultural decay.

shreddies · 19/01/2025 19:38

Looks like a bot post to me

SpanThatWorld · 19/01/2025 19:35

LalaPaloosa2024 · 19/01/2025 18:18

I love London and live in a very nice part of it. I feel safe and don’t experience many issues apart from terrible traffic and parking costs. I think the problems people are mentioning (crime, drugs etc) are due to the rubbish Mayor we have and the terrible successive governments we have had. Now we have Starmer and his corrupt lot making life more expensive for “working people” (although I’d love to know who they mean by that).

I can see massive decline for the UK without decent leadership.

It's so easy to smear people without any evidence

What corruption is proven in the current government?

echt · 19/01/2025 19:32

Now we have Starmer and his corrupt lot making life more expensive for “working people” (although I’d love to know who they mean by that)

In what way is the present government corrupt?

blueshoes · 19/01/2025 19:15

VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 17:27

Gentrified shoreditch is a cesspit?

I was just about to say the same 😱

We are planning to retire in Shoreditch. The houses are not cheap, lol. It is gentrified but retains a gritty feel with fantastic shops and restaurants. Buzzy and central. So close to the City.

shreddies · 19/01/2025 18:30

I really don't buy this idea that London has got worse over the last 50 years. There are whole areas that were pretty much unusable, Kings Cross being the obvious example.

It's still a great city. But austerity and a global pandemic have taken their toll. I don't think things look good for the UK in general

LalaPaloosa2024 · 19/01/2025 18:18

I love London and live in a very nice part of it. I feel safe and don’t experience many issues apart from terrible traffic and parking costs. I think the problems people are mentioning (crime, drugs etc) are due to the rubbish Mayor we have and the terrible successive governments we have had. Now we have Starmer and his corrupt lot making life more expensive for “working people” (although I’d love to know who they mean by that).

I can see massive decline for the UK without decent leadership.

StarDolphins · 19/01/2025 17:49

I live in the Peak District & even here is in decline. Not much dog crap but I don’t feel
safe walking after dark or anywhere secluded any more. I used to feel
safe walking home even at 4-5am. Now I don’t feel
safe walking home with my DD at 6pm. Too many men loitering & groups of older teens. Never any police & the council have decided its best to switch all the street lights off so they can buy derelict shops.

DoubleShotEspresso · 19/01/2025 17:47

@VoodooRajin
Yes Shoreditch is a cesspit. Rubbish from all the nightspits/overt drug use is ridiculous.
People being physically sick/urinating in the streets.
Takeaways and restaurants stacking rubbish the height of a van daily and the markets/surtounding streets are vile.
Gentrified is not a word I would apply to Shoreditch.
Overpriced most certainly, but nowhere close to being gentrified!

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 17:41

Because you had a big reaction to a woman who is living rough pissing in public. Wondered if you had as big a reaction to men pissing en masse in public.
I'm not buying that. You don't know me, but you want to fit me into a pigeon hole of your choice.

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 17:40

jackdawss · 19/01/2025 17:35

Same here. Everyone is very individualistic.

Exactly. The decline started 50 years ago and this is one reason why. Most people have become extremely selfish and far less concerned about their communities. It's all going very wrong in an obvious way because their is no cohesion or care for others.

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 17:38

What you believe you are entitled to isn't happening so I am suggesting that you start caring about why this issue and think about what solutions might work
I don't believe there is a solution in a world where these people are placed 1st. Our social care bill is already vastly outpacing any form of council spending.

jackdawss · 19/01/2025 17:35

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 17:33

I agree.

Same here. Everyone is very individualistic.

jackdawss · 19/01/2025 17:35

Fly tippers are the most awful. Just makes the place look depressing and it's so fucking bone idle.

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 17:33

Carpedimum · 19/01/2025 17:29

We’re witnessing the breakdown of society, it’s going to speed up and get a lot worse. Depressing but no point being delusional and pretending everything is fine.

I agree.

rainingsnoring · 19/01/2025 17:32

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:56

No. That's just your pov.
I believe that I have paid my taxes, and contributed to Society all my life. In return, I believe that the people I pay taxes to should maintain my environment.
There has been a long lasting problem with Roma encampments in this area. The authorities seem to be incapable of dealing with it. Why is this? IMO an excessive concern for that community 's rights.

You obviously do care about the woman peeing in the street in front of you or you would not have posted about it. What you believe you are entitled to isn't happening so I am suggesting that you start caring about why this issue and think about what solutions might work (burning their tents doesn't solve anything, unless you are advocating burning these people in their tents, which would be murder). As I said, perhaps the only reason why this might appeal to you is that 'these people' may encroach upon you even more if not.

VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 17:30

Carpedimum · 19/01/2025 17:29

We’re witnessing the breakdown of society, it’s going to speed up and get a lot worse. Depressing but no point being delusional and pretending everything is fine.

Lol

VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 17:30

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 13:26

I was on a bus in a queue on park lane recently.
There's an encampment of rough sleepers in the central reservation and a woman came out of a tent, bent over at the waist, pulling up her skirt, and urinated. In full view of everyone going by.
I don't care what her problems are, I just don't think it should happen.
Personally, I would clear out all the people in the tents and burn them down.
But I do expect the council to make some kind of an effort.
It feels like the 3rd world in some part of the city.

I saw a woman piss in the street in newcastle once, she was pissed mind

Carpedimum · 19/01/2025 17:29

We’re witnessing the breakdown of society, it’s going to speed up and get a lot worse. Depressing but no point being delusional and pretending everything is fine.

VoodooRajin · 19/01/2025 17:27

DoubleShotEspresso · 19/01/2025 13:57

Born and bred Londoner here.

I think many areas such as Brixton and Herne Hill are unrecognisable versus their time in the 80's. Though they've seen much improvement, they have lost much of their soul and individuality, but are unaffordable to many Londoners.

The relentless stream of pointless chicken shops/nail salons/barbers and phone shops is depressing, in that so many areas are just now duplicates of each other.

Agree Greenwich & Blackheath are great- though this overlooks neighbouring Woolwich which is my idea of hell to visit. So much money has been poured in there, yet it gets worse daily. But there's never ever any thought as to why this is.

Homelessness, drugs/knife crime and gangs are a worry often discussed amongst friends. Many have or will leave their part of London when their children reach teenage / secondary years. We don't have that option as this is where our family is.

I do think there has been decimating change to East London, very detrimental to the community that was so brilliant, inspiring & fun before. I have big roots/connections there so this is deeply sad to see. Shoreditch is a cesspit mostly, though Spitafields has vastly improved.
I do think there are many conversations which should be positively held, but most are just afraid of saying the wrong thing and local councils too keen to be seen as doing the right thing, the result being a real decline in community cohesion and also safety.

I would never leave, but am sad that our children are unable to explore London as I did unhindered at q young age. Everything needs planning, risk assessing and generally just loads of consideration.
We have a mayor failing but knighted- and a police service unable to cope, too low in numbers and calibre to be effective. It's so sad.

Having said all this, I have no desire to leave and cannot think of anywhere else in the country I would want to live.

Gentrified shoreditch is a cesspit?

justteanbiscuits · 19/01/2025 17:23

Sausagenbacon · 19/01/2025 17:21

How do you feel about men pissing on the street regularly?
How do you think I feel? Delighted/depressed ?
What a weird question

Because you had a big reaction to a woman who is living rough pissing in public. Wondered if you had as big a reaction to men pissing en masse in public.

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