To think London is in a major decline?

This shows the crime rate in London down over the last ten years. Do you have figures for the last twenty to support your assertion?

https://crimerate.co.uk/london

You must have left the country very recently then. Quite a rapid time to get the required documentation and move.

When I visited London over Christmas I noticed how run down and grubby it was. Vomit all over the pavement, rubbish, homeless tents everywhere. I used to live in London in my twenties and it didn’t feel that dirty then. Guildford is also looking extremely neglected and when you drive out there were multiple fly tipping a next to the road. Absolutely disgusting. I currently live in a different country due to my decision to leave thanks to some of the recent decisions by labour and I see the street being jet washed, no rubbish, I never feel unsafe when walking around and people take care and respect their environment. People in the UK need to get a grip and stop acting like the world owes them something.

Odd I never see the Farage rioters blamed for not integrating. Do you think they encourage their children to invite their Bangladeshi neighbours to play?

All children at school learn to speak English.

I lived in London for 35 years, mostly Queensway, Mayfair and Chelsea. Now l've been in Bristol for 20 years. The people are more friendly, you're near the country and you can get a very nice house for what my rather small flat off the King's Road was worth.But unfortunately Londoners are moving in:-)

Yes - totally agree - since Covid it the cult of self. Nobody gives a shit about anyone but themselves, smoking crack outside the primary school in broad daylight , fly tipping, mugging, stabbing a - also we live on the boundary of an LTN so it’s pushed a lot of the anti social stuff onto our roads - clearly nobody want to be snapped on camera buying drugs. The local council couldn’t give a toss as long as they are racking in the cash.

Camberwell was pretty ghastly when I used to visit my daughter there 25 years ago, but it improved as the area became gentrified. Maybe now it's gone down again.

The crime rate has indeed gone up in the last 20 years - by nigh on 50%.

This not my experience of London at all. I've lived here for nearly 40 years and it's great. I can't remember the last time I saw any dog shit, people doing drugs etc. it's incredibly clean considering the size and population . I never feel unsafe at all.

I love the history, all the things to do, the variety, the tourists, the multi cultural atmosphere.

There seems to be a lot of that in other parts of the country sadly.

The only thing that's changed is it closes much earlier than it used to do post covid. I wish it went back to being a 24 hour city.

The UK has been in managed decline since the end of WW2. The pandemic and Brexit have just made it steeper.
I agree with beguilingeyes that much of London is far better than it was in the 1980's. Also there are less homeless people than there were when the housing law was change in the early 1990's- I used to work on the South Bank in 1993 one morning I counted 27 homeless people asking for money , between Embankment station and the stage door at the National Theatre.

I think this is pretty much the same everywhere in towns and cities. If fortunate to live in a lovely idyllic village ot may be different.

The town we live in used to be bustling, fantastic shopping and pubs on an evening. Now it's like a ghost town, minimal shops, mostly big chains, all the niche ones have gone, same as the pubs.

The town centre just has some basic shops like poundland, the main area with a garden is used by drunk people and immigrants. When I say immigrants I mean coach loads transported to the area so it has become visually prolific. My job is to help them and not their fault they have been taken to a specific area and can't work due to status so yes they do get together in big groups and this is intimidating to the original population.

The whole before technology days of meeting up has changed so much, meeting friends to shop then going out at night.

So yes, a whole mix of things, mostly technology I think. Xx

London seems richer these days and many areas are so much nicer than in the 80s. Much of south London was terrifying driving through it. There was still quite a lot of areas that had been bombed in the war and not fixed. Deptford and Catford were really run down as was Streatham, Brixton etc. Now much nicer. London is much more boring now though although that may be because I'm old and boring myself.

It’s true. London is declining. I’m in West London which once upon a time was lovely. The number of chicken shops, barber shops, cake shops and other bazaar type shops is crazy! Literally how many do you need in one town?! Bigger story of late these types of shops are under cover money laundering schemes. Look into it!
Fly tipping, anti social behaviour, packed buses with people watching their crappy stuff on high volumes, not paying for their fares… makes my blood boil. Sick of it!
Thanks that felt like therapy #rantover 😂

Smallish town in Cornwall, not a deprived area historically. Massive increase in break-ins, antisocial behaviour, theft, car crime etc over the last few years. Not on the same scale as other areas but definite decline in the past few years.

Of course it is. Several local authorities, including Birmingham, have gone bankrupt in the last few years.

I agree about the dogs but so many people have dogs now and that goes with a certain blindness to their unhygienic and anti social effects, say it and you get shot down in flames. Just saw an X L bully today, its balls very much still there, no muzzle.

Ban dogs shitting on streets and parks or ban dogs altogether. Make it a crime. Picking it up still leaves remnants. We are walking it in to everywhere we go, shops, hospitals, homes.

I would agree that certain parts of London post COVID have these issues. Mostly seen in suburbs of London; see Croydon as a clear example.

It’s already happened in some parts of Britain.
I’ve visited London twice this year and love the place. Apart from house prices I don’t know what you’re moaning about tbh. Some need to get out of their bubble a bit.

Don't be daft, take a look at Los Angeles, Philladelphia or San Francisco, there's shocking drug use, anti social behaviour and poverty in these places..

Absolutely. I live over the Pennines in another god forsaken ex mill town and it sounds pretty much like where you live (funnily enough I’m from Yorks but moved in the 90s). The town I live in was actually ok at first but the decline started around 2010. Multiple libraries and Surestarts quickly shut which were a godsend when my kids were toddlers, massive cuts to council spending, most chain shops have left to be replaced by Vape shops and dodgy tanning parlours. Hate to say it but the demographic has also changed dramatically because essentially it’s cheap to house folk here.

@VoodooRajin - used to motorcycle in but frankly the roads got busier... and more dangerous!

Or post-covid.
I don't think Brexit has much to do with it tbh

So its hard living in londin because the trains are rammed? Could you cycle?

Streets in Peckham, like so many parts of outer London, are very varied. Parts are very gentrified and others can still be rough.