To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

They have tried in past - and they scrapped them - but people are still under them even now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ipp-prison-living-nightmare-lords-debate-b2501376.html

They include tragic cases highlighted by The Independent such as those of Wayne Bell, who has served more than 16 years for stealing a bike; Thomas White, who is still in prison 11 years after he stole a mobile phone; and Shaun Lloyd, who fears he could be hauled back to jail for the fourth time for stealing a phone almost 20 years ago.

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IPP sentences were scrapped in 2012, but not retrospectively, leaving almost 3,000 inmates trapped in prison with no release date – with more than 700 of them having served 10 years longer than their minimum tariff.
More than 80 IPP prisoners are known to have taken their own lives – including the seven whose self-inflicted deaths were revealed by The Independent last year.
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Under the controversial sentences, which were introduced by New Labour in 2005 but scrapped seven years later, people were handed a minimum jail term without a specified maximum term.
After completing their minimum tariff, IPP inmates must apply to the Parole Board and meet stringent criteria in order to be released – including not suffering from mental health problems – to prove that they are no longer a risk to the public.

It seems some young men who did petty crime have now in some cases spent longer in prison than murders and rapists. Plus recent early releases as prisons full didn't look at these people.

I like idea dangerous men off streets for as long as possible but perhaps it harder to judge or perhaps we actually need to get serious about rehabilitation generally.

Most violent criminals have a history of abusive and traumatic childhoods. A high proportion have been in care. That is what we should be looking at to prevent crimes. Prevention of crime needs to start before a child is born. Stringent punishments do not affect crime rates, especially when the police, criminal justice system and prison and probation service are all malfunctioning as they are in the UK at present.

Countries with the longest jail sentences have the highest rates of crime. Countries with good social services, healthcare, education and equality, have low crime rates. It's not rocket science

They were imprisoned for being violent thugs, not for being political dissidents.
Assuming you're talking about the rioters.
No one in this country gets jailed for being a political dissident.

Why do I suspect you're all in favour of civil unrest when it for a cause you approve of? Starmer certainly was, 'a cry for justice from the oppressed', or something to that effect.

While I'm here, how do we prevent violent crime if you think it's something we should be doing.?

I think that prisons should never ever be for punishment. Their sole purpose should be to protect the public. So if you are convicted of a crime that means you are a threat, you go to jail until you are no longer a threat. No fixed term. Just until you are rehabilitated, whether that's one month or never.

Criminals whose behaviour does not present a threat serve their sentence in other ways. Community service, being forced to move county/area, limitations on type of employment, limitations on relationships, whatever is appropriate. The cost of this would easily be met as we wouldn't be paying £1000 per week to have them in jail. With a salary of £52k per prisoner you could pay for community service supervision AND community rehabilitation.

I fundamentally don't believe that as humans we have the right to judge and punish other humans. But we do have the right to keep our communities safe. By happy coincidence this system would also be better for the majority of criminals and lead to lower reoffending.

At least the rapping murderer is back behind bars.

Which so called political dissidents have been jailed? Are you describing people who have incited riots, been found in contempt of court, made credible threats of violence as dissidents?

You're the one changing the meaning of words

In answer to the op's question, we need to look long jail sentences for those who are violent, but also need to look at trying to stop people becoming violent criminals in the first place.

Graffiti affects people's mental health. Jail the bastards

The justice system is far too lenient with people who commit violent crimes. No I would not want someone who was picked up for graffiti to be treated in the same way that someone who stabbed another person. However there are too many examples of people who should be behind bars e.g. manslaughter/murder -Ricky Preddie

Build more prisons and longer mandatory sentences for violent crime. I am fed up of light touch sentences eg 14 years for manslaughter then being released after 6-8 years. You kill someone you go away for 40 years with possible release after 30 years.

I think they should do a better job of working out if someone is actually safe enough to be released

Well, that's not going to happen some time soon. So in the meantime, what then? Just let them out?

I don't condone Saudi's laws, but I do think a little amputation here or there may be a suitable punishment in some cases.
Actually - maybe we should deport them to Saudi on release. Let them learn the laws of the land the hard way.

Imagine citing the American justice system as as something to aspire to ffs

It's an absolute shitshow

Who is the arbiter of what words mean? We are living in a time of semantic breakdown and the definitions of words tend to, from my perspective, be seized upon and controlled by those in power. We thought we all knew what a woman was until 5 minutes ago when suddenly we were all forced to pretend it meant something entirely different.

When you say you believe those words don't mean what I'm saying they do, it's not because you struggle to understand what I'm saying. You understand perfectly well. You just disagree.

Firstly we need to have a robust rehabilitation service and support for ex offenders when they have left prison before we can decide that some people simply are too dangerous to live in the community

we are not even close to providing this service for offenders

If the penalty for crimes that are not murder is life, then you will find that the murder rate goes up. That has been true of everywhere that has tried this. Basically, if you are facing life in prison for the crime that you just committed, then you may as well dispose of at least one witness!

And in America jails are very unsafe places as a result.

in places like America life means life, you lose your freedom and stay there until you die. i honestly think that it should be that way as often life is such a small amount of years its a joke.
apart from people who go to places like Broadmoor lots of people come out and reoffend often going onto more serious crimes or more serious ways of committing their crimes.
there is an old theory that in prison people learn other crimes so come out with a worse attitude.

Go on then, I'll bite

Which political dissidents have been jailed?

Spot on!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48857520.amp

I always think of this story. This guy had over 200 convictions. He probably has done more crime but the amount he has been convicted for is maddening and yet he was released to and knocked down this woman.

I mean at what point does his right to rehabilitation and second chances trump that of a woman to walk safely down the street?

It is always shocking to see how the victim is shamed and background sexual history dug up even when the man has been accused before. Her mobile is taken to be analysed, not his!

I agree there's a distinction between violent, coercive and sexual crimes and for example shoplifting/graffiti. Personally I think we need to be more attentive to behaviours from school up with a proper log made of individual's behaviour in order to nip violent tendencies in the bud and get help before any crime is committed. It's well studied that children from overly authoritarian homes and those from abusive homes are likely to repeat and model behaviours, such as hitting, used at home. If someone is growing up with this as the norm and perhaps domestic violence, views that women are inferior etc combined with a lack of socialisation with women you can see how they would be a potential threat. We really need a more cohesive joined up system recording family attitudes, hospital visits, police complaints etc in one place for interventions.

On a connected note, I strongly suspect this would help schools no end. From my experience there are certain families in every school that are well known for having issues with little or no help given (I'm talking about proper interventions not food bank plastering over the cracks). These kids tend to be the disruptors in each year group and can be the difference between a whole group of peers being able to study and focus or turning to antisocial behaviours and addictions. We need to focus on prevention.

Perhaps a ball and chain.

Can we also take into account the amount of arrests and NFA a person has in their past before deciding to do the same thing again? I know someone arrested for sexual assault several times rape at least once NFA every single time these victims are not connected he has a specific MO that is very similar each and every time it always goes the same way report made arrest made out on bail harassment begins police not interested bail extended police have strong conversation with victims the victims get scared NFA "doesn't meet the criteria" "victim seems reluctant to proceed"

I genuinely do not think we have a working judicial system at this point