To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

I dint know exactly how it works but in the Netherlands serious offenders get either intensive rehabilitation in the community if they agree and are deemed suitable or detention in a Physciatric Hospital with their detention reviewed by a judge every two years

Some people are scummy and they don't change.
They got into prison, serve a sentence, after release, they get recalled to.prison again.
Baby P mum, John Venables another.
Latest one is jimmy Mizen killer. The story has broken today.
Jake Fahri released after 15 years for murder.
He's been rapping about the murder he committed and broken his conditions. He's been recalled to prison today.
He was a scum from about 13 and still is today.
Stop giving people pathetic sentences, keep them locked up.

Better funding won't help the adults who can't read now. If you have mandatory minimum sentencing and make literacy an incentive for earlier release we might make some progress.

Same with their maintenance system did you know if a paying parent gets a low paid job after quitting a high paying job they can refuse to lower the child maintenance in some states?

It's very black and white but some things? They might have a point

I mean it's better than the community being unsafe by releasing them.

If you do a violent crime once eg rape, murder, serious assault - that’s it for me. Your freedoms are gone.

Thought you'd have something better than that.

Problem is, a growing number of people are starting to see things that way

That means we are punishing people for not being able to read. Better to fund education, SEN education and early intervention.

Re political disstents, you could argue that Insulate Britain come under that description. They went to prison and then the Ukraine invasion happened, fuel prices rocketed and politicians suddenly said that we need to Insulate Britain. Some would call just stop oil, political disstents. The protests outside the knowsley suites were because of Merseyside police policy to ignore the sexual harrasment of children coming out of school. There were people imprisoned. They do come under the definition.

I don't think sex offenders and paedophiles will ever not be a danger to the public either, if they're released. I say if - when, mostly.

We can't afford to keep them in prison unless they are so dangerous they present a threat to people on a daily basis.

I can only think of a few who will never, or would never have been released. Hindley, Brady, Fred & Rose West, Sidney Cook, Peter Sutcliffe, Levi Bellfield, Joanna Dennahy, Shipman, Niellsen, Steve Wright.

Which leaves the option of the death penalty, which is no option at all.

They are your political dissidents? I stand by my initial statement that you don't understand the words you used.

Who'd want to be the person who has a crystal ball who can predict whether a person offence is their last or if they have a few more left in them?

Great idea.

It should really only be reserved for murder. It's a very cruel thing. I don't believe there's enough interest in aversion therapy. Probably because that is seen as cruel but it could be effective. It could amount to torture though

Political dissidents😁

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

For social media posts. I absolutely don't condone for a second any incitement to violence but many feminists have seen ENDLESS social media posts calling for them to be killed, raped, set on fire, their children's school doxxed etc etc. How many trans rights activists have been jailed? You can hold a placard demanding terfs be decapitated and nobody bats an eyelid.

I think they DO take previous offences into account when sentencing don't they?? One of the problems with life means life is that caring for very elderly prisoners is very expensive.

Which ones? Come on, you made the claim. Back it up

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and all that...

Just to be clear, I also abhor violence and I Include threats in that.

The highest rate of offending occurs among people who receive sentences of 12 months or less. I wonder if a mandatory 12 month, custodial sentence for all first offences might be more effective. That's 12 months actually served in prison.

Vanessa Frake (former prison governor) says that it's impossible to do anything useful regarding rehabilitation when offenders are serving short sentences.

I could also get behind a proposal that you can't be released until you achieve a minimum reading age. About 60% of prisoners cannot read to the standard of an 11 year old.

You're saying you want to incarcerate people preventatively?

I think you need to think that through to its logical conclusion.

It's like the three-strikes rule in the US which was shown to CAUSE more violent crime. If you have committed two assaults and know that if you get caught for this one you'll be spending 30 years in jail, you're better off trying to kill your victim. You'll either succeed, and you've just removed a witness to your crime, or you fail, but you get a long sentence anyway. There's an incentive to become more violent.

There's a programme on iPlayer about it called Parole. It must be difficult to tell as to some extent these prisoners learn what to say after they've been through the system a few times. And a lot of them are damaged due to their past and although they may mean well, they just can't manage their own behaviour if provoked. They are often released into less than ideal situations such as bail hostels full of other criminals or back home into the environment that they came from and where it must be easy to fall back into old patterns of behaviour. They have no real prospects in most cases. It's depressing.

Which political dissidents have been jailed? Why are you avoiding the question?

I'm not in favour of any violent disorder. It's a strange accusation to make. Are you just deflecting from your bullshit?

As to how to prevent violent crime, that's a massive question.

More police, and more resources for the police, long sentences for violence, interventions for young people who might be heading towards a criminal career, more use of unexplained wealth orders to take the money away from criminals, drink and drug rehab in jails.

Essentially more resources into crime prevention.

Back to your initial point, which political dissidents have been jailed?

Agree with this. Most women in jail are victims of sexual abuse and the only person they are a danger to is themselves.
I do think there needs to be a fixed term though as having an indefinite sentence is really bad for prisoners mental health and is demotivating.