To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

Pretty sure that’s illegal even without human rights stuff. I am interested to see what’s going to happen with the assisted dying legislation because that’s being stitched together very badly in terms of safeguarding. It will be a licence for doctors to euthanise unless the policymakers get a grip. Nobody is likely to be able to intervene for prisoners.

Yes but that's as it is now with all the "human rights" and "rehabilitation" stuff.

You don't have to worry about rehabilitation if someone is going to be locked up for the rest of their life. Just shove them into a cell, lock the door, and open it again once they are dead.

In the UK "In 2022/23, the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 51,724 British pounds a year."

And yet, with rehabilitation and other nice education programmes in prison, questions about parity need to be asked. This is Britain, not a nice Scandinavian country, and why should prisoners who’ve committed crimes get chance after chance and retraining opportunities while women who do everything right get minimum wage for hard jobs or not much above it with a debt, still face male violence (thinking of the nurse in Oldham) and get less help in general?

I am not sure what rehabilitation you speak of. Prisons in the UK have no funding for rehabilitation. Locking someone in their cell for 23h a day is not rehabilitation. Countries where rehabilitation programmes are properly funded, typically, have lower rates of reoffending.

I am sure some of this could be detected and prevented if there was more research into mental health... not because of behaviour due to trauma which requires appropriate care and councelling - but biological and chemical effects - so nature rather than nurture. That's very sad for those affected as it is never their fault, but hopefully having been identified, treatable or guidable. Schizophrenia or manic/depressive or autism for instance.
The poor people killed by their schizophrenic kids, or hearing of others killed by them - it is heartbreaking, and many of them have begged for help. Why isn't more money put into investigating - hopefully helping - babies affected from birth who will grow into adults who sadly may harm others

They should be locked up forever. It doesn't really cost that much to lock people up if they are never going to be released.

The TV series "Parole" (or something like that) was enlightening. Some clearly dangerous men who nobody would want to bump into in a dark alley. The sort who would snap at the slightest perceived provocation and woe betide whoever is standing in front of them.

The IPP sentences were scrapped as they contravened human rights. Some people are too dangerous to be out there but it's against the law to lock them up indefinitely until they've murdered someone or worse.

The Reith lectures broadcast over Christmas make for difficult listening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0025cmg

Not my circus, but I immediately thought of the various environmental protestors, imprisoned and losing their professional licenses.

My state in Australia has a serious violent offencers law that says they must service 80% of their sentence.

our problem is youth crime at the moment. Our youth justice is very lenient, they rarely do any incarceration. There are 15/16 year olds stealing cars and robbing ect and they are caught over and over with no consequences other than good behaviour or probation.

few years ago a boy stole a car and mowed down a pregnant woman and her partner killing them. He was on bail for a string of other crimes at the time and had been caught stealing cars, breaking in, assaulting people for many years and never done any jail time.

actually last week a 15 year old stabbed a supermarket worker in the back apparently unprovoked. Another group stabbed a grandmother to death in a shopping centre last year. All had long history of previous offences and let off with probation.

We had this, it was called IPP.

But civil rights campaigners successfully got it removed because they said it is unfair that you could serve 20 years for raping a child, just because you happened to have been given an IPP sentence the last time you did it. They're now campaigning to remove the existing sentences and release them all.

I agree OP but it's partly a matter of cost and partly too many bleeding heart liberal types who would never let this happen. Our justice system is a joke. Every day we hear 'xx had been sentenced to life, with a minimum term of 10 years' etc. Thus the word 'life' is completely nonsensical. People are being jailed for tweets while rapists and violent criminals are being freed early by Labour.

Rehabilitación does work if it's done well. Some offe dear feel hopeless and have no way out. Thus is what needs addressing. Loving that starmer had appointed timson the expert to oversee this. If he can't sort it. Noone can

This.
there are some people that really need these, as they are a constantly threat .

It’s a genuine problem.

That’s interesting and has the ring of truth.

I myself favour sending coercively controlling men who murder their partners to tiny cold islands, unreachable except by boat or plane, and leaving them there to grow their own food but I doubt if we have enough tiny unreachable islands.

They dont always agree AFAIK

Having met a lot of women who have been brutally abused by men I really think some do just need locking up forever. The same names come up in refuges and services of abusers in areas as they are horrific to multiple women. you really can’t rehabilitate some criminals.

I dint know exactly how it works but in the Netherlands serious offenders get either intensive rehabilitation in the community if they agree and are deemed suitable or detention in a Physciatric Hospital with their detention reviewed by a judge every two years

They do have prisons in The Netherlands, you know! It can be conjoined with psychiatric treatment if deemed necessary. They also have full life sentences also.

I am chuckling at your "if they agree", as if they get the say-so.

@NordicwithTeen

Apparently people are going to go into school to talk about respect and kindness possibly from age 3 because this prevents crime in the long term.

The difficulty with that is that as soon as they started convicting even 10% of rapists, they'd need to build a fuck load more prisons.

But that still mean that those not capable of reaching the literacy targets, would be punished for it, by being kept in prison.

The court do have the option of imposing an extended sentence or a life sentence if an offender is considered ‘dangerous’. There are a lot of criteria to satisfy but it is an option.

Prison sentences should be cumulative.

If you reoffend you do the new sentence plus repeat the previous sentence.

Keep that going.

@PoliteCyanViewer can you be clearer on what exactly you are proposing?

Repeatedly - does that mean more than once? More than 5 times? Is there an exact number?

Violent Crime - what is your definition? A punch up outside a pub? Dangerous driving? Assault and battery? Gbh?

Locked up permanently- you mean whole life terms? Very very few offenders get those - only the absolute worse murderers - are you suggesting it for anyone who commits a violent crime more than once?

Jails in this country are full - we jail more per capita than any other country in western Europe. Do you think it is sensible to expand our jail population exponentially? Where are these new prisons going to be built? Who is going to pay for them?