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To change their surname to mine?

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Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 08:22

Long story short but without drip feeding, I have 2 children with my ex boyfriend. We never married, we’ve split 5 years ago and in that time he has married the other woman and has 2 children with her. My children have his surname, as does his wife and his two children with her. It hurts me that she shares the same surname as my children but I never will.

aibu to use my surname for my children? For context dad is not in the picture anymore and has very very limited contact.

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CantHoldMeDown · 17/01/2025 15:43

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KhakiShaker · 17/01/2025 15:28

It really does baffle me the amount of women on here who think the ‘right’ thing to do is give the child the mother’s name. Why? The father is an equal parent and if both parents are on the birth certificate then the fair thing to do is double-barrel.

Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 15:06

I’ve already socially changed their names as in they use my name themselves and for activities, non legal registrations and things. It’s more just legally I suppose. I definitely wouldn’t want to change my name to his and hers, it’s a small enough community and I think it would make me look silly to be honest given he married her but wouldn’t didn’t marry me

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Ohnonotmeagain · 17/01/2025 14:50

Reugny · 17/01/2025 14:45

Other people I know have been questioned on whether they were the parent of their child.

Like I’ve just said, I know people with the same name who’ve been stopped, questioned, asked for birth certs and consent letters.

having the same name is not proof of parentage. Could be aunt, grandparent, surnames aren’t unique and random strangers can have the same surnames.

isthesolution · 17/01/2025 14:50

Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 08:50

He’s on the birth certificate and he would probably fight to keep their name the same as his so are my hands tied?

Yes your hands are tied. You can't change their names without his permission. Not by deed poll or in any other way. They can change their names at 16.

Ohnonotmeagain · 17/01/2025 14:48

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:43

Travelled with my boys without their dad before. No one batted an eyelid.

Last time I went away on a sports trip I had no issue.

two mums with same name got stopped and “interrogated”. Because they’d assumed having the same name meant they wouldn’t get stopped, they didn’t have a consent letter from dad.

one nearly missed the flight as dad was driving to work and they couldn’t get hold of him to check consent.

in reality everyone needs consent of all those with PR to travel. Names are irrelevant. Think of all the cultures where having the same name isn’t the norm…they still travel.

Pamelaaaaarrr · 17/01/2025 14:47

Reugny · 17/01/2025 14:45

Other people I know have been questioned on whether they were the parent of their child.

I have never had the same surname as any of my children and travelled all over and I've never been asked about parentage.

OP, afraid, you need his consent to change their names as others have said.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 17/01/2025 14:45

superplumb · 17/01/2025 08:52

Can't you change their name by deed poll? I'd change it. If I got divorced I'd change it back as well as my children

You can't do that without dad's consent. And if you do then you'll have big problems when you come to renew their passports.

Reugny · 17/01/2025 14:45

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:43

Travelled with my boys without their dad before. No one batted an eyelid.

Other people I know have been questioned on whether they were the parent of their child.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 17/01/2025 14:44

Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 08:50

He’s on the birth certificate and he would probably fight to keep their name the same as his so are my hands tied?

If you had to take it to court they would be very unlikely to remove his but would certainly double barrel to include yours.
I would write to him to ask to change to yours as say the children are upset having a different name to you and want yours. Then if he refuses ask him to double barrel. If he still refuses say that you'll go to court and they'll definitely do it but that's a lot of time and money wasted and does he really want to put you all through that. If he refuses still go to court.

SleepingStandingUp · 17/01/2025 14:44

Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 08:50

He’s on the birth certificate and he would probably fight to keep their name the same as his so are my hands tied?

What would he say y if you said "I'm intent on us sharing a surname so want to change the children maiden name. Alternatively I will change my name to theirs"

The new wife may feel rather unhappy about the latter and it might be enough to get him to agree

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:43

Reugny · 17/01/2025 14:42

Travel where they interrogate you and/or your child depending on their age.

Otherwise no-one cares.

Travelled with my boys without their dad before. No one batted an eyelid.

Ohnonotmeagain · 17/01/2025 14:43

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:40

I dont understand this. My children have taken their father's surname and I didn't change mine upon marriage. Why is it important to have the same surname?? Am I missing something?

People will start talking about it being easier to travel and other myths.

it makes no difference practically. You can still travel with your children, and won’t be any more likely to be stopped.

i am the same, never changed my name. I have not had one negative issue having a different name to my kids.

quite a lot of positives though, including the fact that dh is automatically added to all school and clubs social media etc, as they can’t find me :). So I get out of all that 😂

CrestWhite · 17/01/2025 14:42

Now you both will not ever share a surname, changing to double barrelled is the fairest option.

Unclear from your post if the children are old enough to have an opinion?

Reugny · 17/01/2025 14:42

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:40

I dont understand this. My children have taken their father's surname and I didn't change mine upon marriage. Why is it important to have the same surname?? Am I missing something?

Travel where they interrogate you and/or your child depending on their age.

Otherwise no-one cares.

Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:41

Sorry, just reread it
Ignore me!

CantHoldMeDown · 17/01/2025 14:41

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Blueberrymuffin8 · 17/01/2025 14:40

I dont understand this. My children have taken their father's surname and I didn't change mine upon marriage. Why is it important to have the same surname?? Am I missing something?

Ohnonotmeagain · 17/01/2025 14:37

Reugny · 17/01/2025 09:36

His wife would be silly.

Plenty of people have the same last name and are not blood related or related in anyway especially if is a common name like Smith, Brown etc.

Most people who change their names will be changing it to the same as their mother in law anyway.

I’m of the opinion you chose their names at birth and they should keep those names.

i don’t have a problem with any woman giving their child their dad’s surname. But you do so with the knowledge that circumstances may change etc and if having the same surname is a big deal for you give them the surname you have when they’re born, not the surname you hope you’ll get in future. If you do marry later he can change his name if the same surname is important.

So no, o/p, I wouldn’t change their names. You do realise in every form they fill in, passport, jobs etc they will need to produce their deed poll certs and evidence their legal name change? If they marry and change their names they’ll be having to declare and document deed poll and marriage certs.

don’t do it to them. I’d change my name by deed poll if we really wanted the same name. Plus you don’t need his permission for that.

aLittleWhiteHorse · 17/01/2025 14:36

Sinkintotheswamp · 17/01/2025 11:19

Yanbu. But if he's on the birth certificate you need his permission. Which you probably won't get and can't argue against, because patriarchy.
You can't even double barrel it without permission which is especially galling.

My kids have my surname added on everything non-official. But for school register, passport, nhs and bank accounts it's just their dads name.

This is what we did and it worked well.
The school also accommodated the double barrelled name.
It also prevented various people related to the children’s life from calling me by Ex’s name by default.

CantHoldMeDown · 17/01/2025 14:27

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JHound · 17/01/2025 13:42

You will need to ask the children what their preference is. They maybe young but that’s still their identity. Personally if I was unmarried my kids would have my name to begin with.

Won’t you need to get his permission to change their name anyway?

ARichtGoodDram · 17/01/2025 12:57

SpeedyMcNobhead · 17/01/2025 12:48

You do not have to change their name legally at this stage. Just use a “known as” name for the GPs and school. When they are 16 change by deed poll and catch everything up then.
I did this with my DD who was born just after the law change in 2003 which meant I couldn’t change it legally without Dickhead’s permission. The only thing she had to put up with was her passport has to be in legal name but she was okay with that. We did deed poll on her 16th birthday and applied for bank accounts, driving license and everything else after with no issues and her latest passport has her new name too.

This is the easiest and simplest way to do it.

This is no longer easy to do. Schools and GPs are much more aware now that they should not be changing surnames without the permission of all parties with PR.

Enko · 17/01/2025 12:53

You could change your name to be like theirs.

With PR he needs to give his ok for this. As others have said you could likely get double barrelled if you find that suitable.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 17/01/2025 12:53

Timeisaheala · 17/01/2025 10:56

I’m not changing my name when it would then be the same as his and his wife’s. That just looks pathetic.

Who cares what it looks like to him and his wife? You are only responsible for how you and your children feel. I’d give him the choice, you need to have the same surname as the kids for practical purposes (like travel etc) so either he gives permission to change their names, or you change yours to his. Maybe he’d compromise on double barrelling?