My horrible neighbours are back, feel desperate

There is quite some difference between thinking people you don’t like for spurious reasons should be round up and murdered, and believe that people who move to another country and cause nothing but problems there should be deported.

There's a subreddit called 'Professional Revenge'.

This would fit.

Why? What has that to do with the behaviours exhibited by this particular social group which are creating an intolerable environment for the OP? Can they not be criticised because of historical injustices no matter how miserable they’re making people? Most people already know that multiple cultural and social groups were persecuted by the Nazis. Totally irrelevant to this thread but a chance to dish out a mini lecture will never be missed by some I guess,

Well we all know who the last person who thought that way was.

OP, your situation is horrible and I really sympathise. I hope you can resolve it.

Its a pity that your thread has attracted the ignorant and racist.

Are you attempting irony here? Your assumptions are purely yours.

Oh they were totally nutty.
Before DH was DH, he used to drive to visit me and parked on our driveway. Because it was an “unrecognised” car to them, they called a tow company. The company showed up and we’re having a HUGE argument outside with them because they refused to tow a car off our drive. They are ridiculous people.
I really hope this shows OP she’s not alone on the bonkers neighbour front!!

We had a good friend who was a driving instructor who would sometimes use our cars to practise parallel parking and they complained that he “picked” on them by never using their car…

@ToffeePennie Sorry but that made me laugh, absolutely bonkers!

We had some truly awful neighbours. The house next door is a rental and we started with a bunch of male students.
Polite, respectful, would tell us when they wanted to have a house party so the kids could sleep on the other side of the house, always shut their parties down by 1am.
Then they moved….it was such a sad day when the new neighbours moved in. We got an elderly couple, the wife looked at us like we were lower than shit on her shoe and the husband just made our lives absolute hell on earth. Applying for planning permission to build over the garage (like our neighbours to match) and they had a shit fit. Landlord had no problem, so planning permission went ahead.
They moved the ladder so the builders got stuck, they were caught unscrewing scaffolding, our budgie escaped into their garden and they wouldn’t let us rescue her, reports to social services, reports about the bins, reports about parking outside our own damn house. We had a good friend who was a driving instructor who would sometimes use our cars to practise parallel parking and they complained that he “picked” on them by never using their car…
They were a NIGHTMARE! Eventually the landlord told them to leave because the complaints were way too much.

You can see exactly what happens when people are confronted with this on their doorsteps. Poor OP's experience is so illustrative of the problem. Their lives become intolerable, they feel like strangers in their own community, they cut their losses, they sell up, the house is scooped up by some scummy greedy landlord, and the owner moves out of the city or the suburb to a place less affected (for now) by the realities of mass uncontrolled immigration. It's been happening all over London for the past 20 years.

Good point and well worth reminding people that a variety of people were targeted in the real life horror that was the Holocaust, including Roma.

TheaBrandt: 'Easy to virtue signal when you are not the one living next door to it'.

You are correct Thea. The people who are so afraid of 'Hurty Words' never mention the poor person who's life has been made a living nightmare by this.

This country is in a mess because people have become too afraid to call a spade a spade. It's all about the poor oppressed perpetrators.

You have no idea what Roma means, that's obvious.

I know loads of beggars who aren’t actually homeless.
None of them are Roma.

I met one Roma woman who was genuinely homeless but she worked for the big issue and was doing evening classes.
She was not rude or lazy, she was working hard to try and change her circumstances.

There have been multiple threads about awful neighbours on here over the years.
I think this is the first one about Roma people.

Some Roma people are twats.
Just like every other race, culture, demographic.

There’s way more riff raff in the cheap areas, let’s face it. Much more.

Yeah the apartment building I lived in would have very few benefit claimants it would have been mainly professional middle class students and young solo professionals and couples with a few young families. Rent was £1400 for a one bed flat and more for 2/3 beds of course so housing benefit wouldn’t cover that.

I didn’t get the impression that many people who lived there was rough.

They just didn’t take pride in shared areas maybe because a lot of it was rented and they intended to leave soon but also because I feel that’s a common attitude in Uk nowadays.

There was a rooftop garden that I didn’t go to because I was constantly getting emails - that went out to everyone - reminding people about cleaning up after their dog. So it was clearly a recurring issue. The prospect of going up and sitting next to dog shit put me off.

The only clean shared space there was the gym.

I’d have hated to own a flat there, I’m glad I only rented.

Well yes we moved to a “nice middle class”area. Lived here 16 years. Not ONE issue with neighbours. People here know how to behave.

Sorry but my lived experience drains away any left wing “be kind” feelings. Easy to have virtue signal when you are not the one living next door to it.

Completely agree. The issue is not Roma people but the fact the government appears to be very passive about anti social behaviour.

We need a complete crackdown of it. I don’t like living in the UK partly because I dont feel people are considerate of shared spaces and it’s definitely getting worse. I don’t live in a rough area but still I’ll frequently see dog poo that hasn’t been cleaned up for example or litter.

I lived in a new build flat in south London ,
big flashy complex with its own gym and cafe but it was awful. There would be rubbish left in the stairwells where people had used the stairs instead of the lift to take their bins out, the smell of weed was so strong it would hit me every time I left my house or sometimes even when I was in my house and it was just increasingly grimy.

May I suggest

1. Report everything to everyone at once, Police, HMRC, Social Services, Environment Agency, Environmental Health etc etc
2. Have a look at the Selective Licensing scheme to see what rules have been broken and frame a complaint in relation to that
3. Request an Anti Social Behaviour Case Review
4. Complain about the handling of your issues
5. After point 4 go to The Ombudsman

Good luck!

If you can get to a situation where you fear for your life - eg evidence of threatening behaviour and then report THAT to police I can’t believe the police will stand by -headlines would read Police ignored pleas from terrified pensioner and ignored them and the police will NOT want that.

@TellYourSugargliderISaidHi think OP is talking about properties owned by her LL in which case he already does own hers.

In Gated Communities its all too often the riff raff that are inside the gates!

Quite a bit of criminal behaviour going on there. Have you involved the police?

It is worth keeping pressure up on the landlord. You can check if a mortgage is held on the property and by which provider and then start complaining to them too. Most mortgages will have some sort of a clause about illegal activities (and you dont know what was stated in the application so there could be mortgage fraud too) that would enable the pulling of a mortgage. Then keep reporting to the Police and give the mortgage company the stats on Police reporting. If mortgage company doesn't do something, threaten them with FCA as if your neighbours are drug dealing their rent money is technically criminal cash flow.

Benefit fraud is another potential option if you see the neighbours working.

Go down the route of trying to force the Council to buy ypur property. Indicate you'll take them to the Local Government Ombudsman with the support of your MP if they don't do something, then actually do it.

But tbh, you are vulnerable and in your position I'd move.

I've dealt with violent abusive neighbours. It makes my blood boil that local authorities can't deal with people who make others' lives a misery. I would be reporting everything to police as antisocial behaviour, every time. It was the police antisocial behaviour team who evicted my neighbour after taking him to court. I'd also be writing to you local councillor, going to your MP's surgeries. Do other neighbours have a problem with them, if so get them to write too

Haven't time to read the whole thread, so apologies if this is repetitious.

In my experience in these and similar circumstances, the answer is for you to become so much of a nuisance to 'the authorities' (police, landlord, other bodies) that their lives are made easier by responding to you than by ignoring you.

Phone calls, emails, letters, more phone calls, lots more phone calls..... I'm sure you get the idea. You shouldn't have to, but with all services hugely stretched these days, it's the only thing that works. Good luck!