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Threat to gate crash DD wedding

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Aussierelative · 16/01/2025 14:57

Bit of background DSis lives in Australia and has been living overseas with her family for about 30 years. We keep in touch but are not really that close. We have not met in person for over 6 years and only every 3-4 years before that.
My DD is getting married in September. It is a fairly small wedding, 60 for the ceremony and wedding breakfast with another 40 [mainly friends] coming for an evening party. The decision was made months ago not to invite any cousins from either side. DSis and her DH are invited and have accepted although she made it clear that she was very disappointed that her two DCs were not included. They are both late 20's. My nephew is independent, but niece is still at home with parents mainly due to MH issues. I have heard a rumour that my DSis and BiL are planning to bring the uninvited niece with them presumably in the hope that we will somehow shoehorn her into the arrangements. My DH is fuming to say the least and never had much time for them anyway. He says that this is gate crashing and if they do this we should uninvite them even if they have travelled from Auz. I am not sure how to handle this. Any advice?

OP posts:
Nellyelephanty · 17/01/2025 12:25

I couldn’t get worked up about this. I’d just let this extra person come

SummaLuvin · 17/01/2025 12:15

Has anyone actually asked this cousin/niece if she wants to go?

I don’t have mental health issues but the idea of going to a wedding where the only people I know are my parents (who will likely be making rounds catching up with people) and the bride, fills me with dread. I would also be mortified that my parents were engineering my attendance when I wasn’t invited and there isn’t space!

Confirm now to your sister that there categorically won’t be space so her daughter can make alternative plans that day. Maybe suggest a brunch together the day after the wedding if the niece is eager to connect with her family - though I suspect she isn’t at all fussed and is only along for a holiday.

PennyApril54 · 17/01/2025 12:08

I think this is fine then. Probably the less said about it the better. Id only bring it up again if your daughter asks you to because a space has become available. I wouldn't mention it otherwise as it then looks like it is on everyone's radar and makes an invite seem more likely. Enjoy the preparations and the day when it comes.

toastofthetown · 17/01/2025 11:41

Aussierelative · 17/01/2025 11:32

An update for you. I have spoken to DSis today and it turns out that flights have already been booked and DN will be coming over as they plan to have a holiday in Europe after the wedding. No problem with that! However DSis is 'hopeful' that DN will be invited after all. The decision will obviously be down to DD and her fiancé. Save the date notes went out before Christmas and I know they have a reserve list of people they would like to invite if space allows for both the ceremony and evening party. I just hope this does not cause bad feeling.

So the cousin is travelling all that way for a lovely European holiday, not the wedding of a cousin she barely knows and doesn’t like? And a wedding which she knew in advance she wasn’t invited to. If sounds like (based on what you’ve said) even if the cousin does have bad feeling to your daughter, that will have no impact on your daughter’s life anyway because she doesn’t speak to her cousin anyway.

Aussierelative · 17/01/2025 11:32

An update for you. I have spoken to DSis today and it turns out that flights have already been booked and DN will be coming over as they plan to have a holiday in Europe after the wedding. No problem with that! However DSis is 'hopeful' that DN will be invited after all. The decision will obviously be down to DD and her fiancé. Save the date notes went out before Christmas and I know they have a reserve list of people they would like to invite if space allows for both the ceremony and evening party. I just hope this does not cause bad feeling.

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JimHalpertsWife · 17/01/2025 10:25

Those saying "its just one more" - it's not just one more is it? If the cousins is then (begrudgingly) invited, her brother is then left out, so 75% of the Aus family are invited. Instead of just a blanket "aunts and uncles are invited, cousins arent" set up.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 17/01/2025 10:15

TeabySea · 17/01/2025 08:30

So many people lacking reading comprehension and asking why the cousin can't come.
Apart from the fact that DD and cousin don't really get on, as detailed in OPs comments , also this:
The ceremony is in a private venue and the maximum for the space is 60

They have 60 people already. 60+1 =61
The maximum for the space is 60

Hope this clears things up

The wedding isn't until September - they won't have final numbers yet. It would be unusual to have even sent invites at this stage. It's bold to assume everyone invited will definitely be able to attend.

DysmalRadius · 17/01/2025 08:40

Italiangreyhound · 16/01/2025 22:35

*Ewock if it were me I'd assume one extra wasn't a big issue I bet someone won't turn up. This is just my opinion. I wouldn't invite my sister and her husband and expect them not to bring their 16 year old mentally ill daughter. But anyway. I hope it all works out ok OP. *

DSis and her DH are invited and have accepted although she made it clear that she was very disappointed that her two DCs were not included. They are both late 20's.

Big difference between a 16 year old and an adult in their late 20s though....

TeabySea · 17/01/2025 08:30

So many people lacking reading comprehension and asking why the cousin can't come.
Apart from the fact that DD and cousin don't really get on, as detailed in OPs comments , also this:
The ceremony is in a private venue and the maximum for the space is 60

They have 60 people already. 60+1 =61
The maximum for the space is 60

Hope this clears things up

Ewock · 17/01/2025 07:37

Italiangreyhound · 16/01/2025 22:35

*Ewock if it were me I'd assume one extra wasn't a big issue I bet someone won't turn up. This is just my opinion. I wouldn't invite my sister and her husband and expect them not to bring their 16 year old mentally ill daughter. But anyway. I hope it all works out ok OP. *

That could work. At a friend's wedding 2 couples didn't come (genuine reasons) so would have had room. Ours everyone came so it would have been a problem.
However it comes down to why should the bride and groom invite someone they don't want there.

PrincessOfPreschool · 17/01/2025 04:52

Glad you are going to speak to your sis OP. Before you speak to her, ask the venue if it's possible to add one more, especially for evening. If they say, "under no circumstances" then that will be something you can bring up ("we would have loved to invite Kylie as well but the venue are being really strict and invitations have gone out already....").

Try and gauge how niece is doing. It may be that she's not doing too well at the moment and can't be left for a long period, or that they feel a holiday may really help her at this time. It's so very difficult to have a child with MH issues. I would also be really accommodating at saying niece is first on 'waiting list', you are really sorry you can't uninvite anyone but if anyone can't come she will be the first to have a space.

ThatLimeCat · 16/01/2025 23:14

Just invite her, Christ alive. This is such a stupid thing to fall out over.

LovePoppy · 16/01/2025 23:10

Doloresparton · 16/01/2025 15:04

Imo if your dn has mh issues and is travelling with her parents from Australia then she should be invited to the wedding.
I can't imagine leaving someone out when they've travelled that far.
I understand it's annoying but family often are and I'm assuming your dsis doesn't want to leave her dd on her own in Aus.

So because someone chose to travel, knowing they were not invited to a special specific event, everyone should just make arrangements around them?

Why? I honestly don’t get it.

Italiangreyhound · 16/01/2025 22:35

*Ewock if it were me I'd assume one extra wasn't a big issue I bet someone won't turn up. This is just my opinion. I wouldn't invite my sister and her husband and expect them not to bring their 16 year old mentally ill daughter. But anyway. I hope it all works out ok OP. *

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 16/01/2025 21:14

TeabySea · 16/01/2025 20:50

Because the venue has a cap on numbers.

if that’s the case there is no discussion, perhaps I missed a post. I thought it was more that the parents didn’t want to invite this cousin.

yogasam · 16/01/2025 21:12

ZestyJoey · 16/01/2025 19:22

Sorry OP but when you say "it was decided not to invite any cousins" without any sort of deail or explanasion it seems like you're just being picky (no offense) and maybe there's more ot it than that. I just find it ridiculous how 40 people who aren't even family take precidense over people who are. I mean sure, you guys don't interact very often but considering you live 12 thousand miles apart and still make regular contact says this is a family member who'se dear to you. I wouldn't even blame them if they held a grudge agaisnt you for that...

To be fair, 40 people isn't much by the time it's split between the bride and groom - for each person that's parents x 2, siblings and their partners, grandparents maybe and a couple of aunts and uncles. Plus your five closest friends and their plus -ones. There's not a lot of room for manoeuvre in that.

BUT if someone is making the effort to travel all that way, it's churlish not to find a place for them. Maybe they've not shown much interest in family before but perhaps now is their time. Who knows, you might even like them!

Mermaidsarereal · 16/01/2025 21:05

I got married recently about 4 people gatecrashed that we hadn't invited but had assumed that they were! We were a bit suprised by them turning up but ultimately it didn't make any difference to the day.

Mum2jenny · 16/01/2025 21:00

If my dc invited all cousins to their wedding, there would have been 7 cousins with their partners, plus their 10 children ie 24 people. Not an insignificant number of people!

TeabySea · 16/01/2025 20:50

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 16/01/2025 16:07

Obviously DD doesn't have to invite them, but the aunt and uncle were already invited so the cousin is only one extra. I can't see it is worth making a huge fuss about.

Because the venue has a cap on numbers.

bostonchamps · 16/01/2025 20:38

This is maybe touching a nerve because we had a huge issue at our wedding with my PILs inviting all manner of 'family' who had travelled from very far away without asking or telling us who were turned away by the venue, but people who are saying to just invite her/add one more person/fit her in - have you no concept of how wedding venues work?? *
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Generally, you pay per person, and the venue will have really strict rules about maximum guest numbers. You can't get round the rules as weirdly, the venue staff can count and will notice too many place settings. Not that OPs daughter should, because it's her and her DPs wedding, not the OPs, or the OPs sister, or her next door neighbour, or her fourth cousin on her dad's side.

Motheranddaughter · 16/01/2025 20:38

bostonchamps · 16/01/2025 20:32

People have different family set ups and dynamics, it's not that hard to understand.

I suppose I do understand it ,but would hate it to be my family dynamic

bostonchamps · 16/01/2025 20:32

SunnyHappyPeople · 16/01/2025 19:39

I find it so strange that people would invite their own brother/sister but not their niece/nephew. Weird

People have different family set ups and dynamics, it's not that hard to understand.

User19876536484 · 16/01/2025 20:16

Gwenhwyfar · 16/01/2025 19:47

Definitely for a church wedding, but at a private venue? The legal impediment thing is only tradition now as we can easily search whether someone is already married.
When was the last time it was used except on TV?

Definitely at a private one. Assuming it is a properly licensed venue. See my earlier response to another doubter.

What other requirements are there for premises?

  • You must ensure the public have access without charge to the ceremony room(s) for one hour before and during the ceremony.
  • There must be access for disabled people.
  • Notices are required at each public entrance giving directions to the ceremony room(s), names of the couples, time of wedding and room of wedding so that the public can find the venue easily.
Ewock · 16/01/2025 20:16

Gwenhwyfar · 16/01/2025 19:45

I would just tell the venue on arrival that one extra person has invited themselves. It's unlikely they'll make one person leave. It's like if you book a table at a restaurant and someone brings a friend without telling you. It's rude and the restaurant might be annoyed, but they will accommodate you.

They might, but at our wedding venue it was strict numbers and we had to confirm food choices etc. There were no extra meals so that would be an issue.
It's also just really rude to invite someone who hasn't been invited

SunshineAndFizz · 16/01/2025 20:10

toastofthetown · 16/01/2025 19:17

I'm genuinely shocked that the consensus on the thread is that just because someone makes a long, expensive journey nobody asked them to do or even wanted them to do, you should uninvite someone from your wedding to accommodate them. I have a cousin in Australia. I assume similar to the OP's DD, we have literally zero contact. We got on fairly well at family meet-ups as children too - which is a more than the OP's DD and her cousin. He's a pretty much a total stranger to me now though, haven't seen or spoken to each other in over ten years. But apparently if he were to invite my parents to a wedding and I tagged along to Australia uninvited, I should be invited to the event above people he actually knows and has an ongoing relationship with! That's bonkers to me.

Couldn't agree more.