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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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EasternStandard · 18/01/2025 10:33

Loads of talk about it. I know some on mn like to block out stuff

Up to them, I can’t say I care how they filter

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 10:32

EasternStandard · 18/01/2025 10:26

I guess we’ll see what Labour supporters say about cuts soon

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I guess we’ll see what cuts are proposed and why before we speculate. I find it’s quite useful to have some factual information when I form an opinion.

EasternStandard · 18/01/2025 10:26

Newyearsamebs · 18/01/2025 10:01

This. The Starmer fan girls will argue this. It’s embarrassing.

Tories, highest tax burden on higher earners. All whilst protecting pensioners, increasing the welfare bill, throwing money around like confetti during Covid. Ironically, Labour are proving to be more right than the Tories right now. The Tories were no where near left. There will be many, many more sad face articles when people die because of Labour’s incoming cuts to welfare and the WFA.

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I guess we’ll see what Labour supporters say about cuts soon

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 10:18

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 10:10

Starmer fan girls? How very misogynistic.

a)I am not a Starmer fan. He is too centrist for my taste.

b) I am not a girl.

Beneath contempt and best ignored. I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks the current iteration of Tories is left wing.

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 10:10

Starmer fan girls? How very misogynistic.

a)I am not a Starmer fan. He is too centrist for my taste.

b) I am not a girl.

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 10:06

I’m astonished that certain media outlets haven’t already found pensioners frozen to death in their homes. After all we’re three months into the winter now. Their journalists are obviously slacking.

Newyearsamebs · 18/01/2025 10:01

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:45

Yeah, those pesky facts again. Whenever the facts don’t support your narrative, just come out with some random statement.

The Tories were left. Their record on the economy, borrowing, tax, ballooning state spending, social issues and immigration proves that. It’s in the numbers.

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This. The Starmer fan girls will argue this. It’s embarrassing.

Tories, highest tax burden on higher earners. All whilst protecting pensioners, increasing the welfare bill, throwing money around like confetti during Covid. Ironically, Labour are proving to be more right than the Tories right now. The Tories were no where near left. There will be many, many more sad face articles when people die because of Labour’s incoming cuts to welfare and the WFA.

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:48

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:46

I made nothing up.

The Rwanda plan may have failed, but that does not change the fact that it was a right wing populist policy.

As for the hounding of disabled people:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/22/inquiry-to-begin-into-dwps-treatment-of-ill-and-disabled-people-on-benefits

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Quoting a left wing rag doesn’t change facts. 0 forcible deportations to Rwanda. And highest ever welfare bill under the Tories.

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:46

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:34

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0. And what ‘hounding’? The welfare bill had never been larger than it was under the Tories.

You can make stuff up but it doesn’t change facts.

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I made nothing up.

The Rwanda plan may have failed, but that does not change the fact that it was a right wing populist policy.

As for the hounding of disabled people:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/22/inquiry-to-begin-into-dwps-treatment-of-ill-and-disabled-people-on-benefits

Inquiry to begin into DWP’s treatment of ill and disabled people on benefits

Some eligibility decisions have been linked to deaths of vulnerable claimants, and EHRC will examine if ministers acted unlawfully

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/22/inquiry-to-begin-into-dwps-treatment-of-ill-and-disabled-people-on-benefits

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:45

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 09:41

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0.

Not for the want of trying.

Yeah, those pesky facts again. Whenever the facts don’t support your narrative, just come out with some random statement.

The Tories were left. Their record on the economy, borrowing, tax, ballooning state spending, social issues and immigration proves that. It’s in the numbers.

EasternStandard · 18/01/2025 09:42

sofasofa42 · 18/01/2025 09:07

What actual part of brexit is right now making it harder on UK. I live in EU. You all look in a good position from my view.

We were on the up, it’s stalled somewhat in second half of 2024 but will see re 2025

I get your point though on the eurozone and various figures there, Germany, France etc

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 09:41

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0.

Not for the want of trying.

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:34

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:29

Aye, the Rwanda plan was so left wing. See also the hounding of disabled people and the "reform" of the NHS with a view to making it easier to privatise. That is just off the top of my head.

Even the current Labour government isn't left wing. Left of centre and Tory lite in some aspects.

I guess you are a Farage fan?

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And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0. And what ‘hounding’? The welfare bill had never been larger than it was under the Tories.

You can make stuff up but it doesn’t change facts.

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:29

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:20

Because the Tories are left winger and socialists. What makes you think otherwise. Their track record is clear.

Highest ever taxes - until Two Tier and Rachel from accounts took over and made it even worse.

Open borders and One million a year net migration

Uncontolled borrowing and printing money to pay for people to sit at home

highest ever public spending, massive bloated state and civil sector

Highest ever welfare and benefits

Lowest productivity

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Aye, the Rwanda plan was so left wing. See also the hounding of disabled people and the "reform" of the NHS with a view to making it easier to privatise. That is just off the top of my head.

Even the current Labour government isn't left wing. Left of centre and Tory lite in some aspects.

I guess you are a Farage fan?

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:20

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 19:37

We need immigration. The Tories had 14 years to improve infrastructure and services to accommodate that fact. They failed to do so.

the left wingers in the UK & EU are destroying their respective countries with ridiculous immigration policies

Eta: So why didn't the Tories do something about this?

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Because the Tories are left winger and socialists. What makes you think otherwise. Their track record is clear.

Highest ever taxes - until Two Tier and Rachel from accounts took over and made it even worse.

Open borders and One million a year net migration

Uncontolled borrowing and printing money to pay for people to sit at home

highest ever public spending, massive bloated state and civil sector

Highest ever welfare and benefits

Lowest productivity

sofasofa42 · 18/01/2025 09:07

What actual part of brexit is right now making it harder on UK. I live in EU. You all look in a good position from my view.

suburburban · 18/01/2025 07:43

@WhitegreeNcandle

You are probably right

TheDork · 18/01/2025 07:40

wholettheturnipsburn · 17/01/2025 10:35

Did that sound witty on your head?

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Calm down, dear.

SnapdragonToadflax · 18/01/2025 07:29

StarDolphins · 17/01/2025 22:12

Because their popularity has massively plummeted?

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That's not how elections work 🙄 Stop being influenced by whatever far-right rubbish you're reading.

WhitegreeNcandle · 18/01/2025 06:59

suburburban · 17/01/2025 22:35

There was another thread on here saying the young people can't get jobs.

We need to prioritise who is already here.

There are too many people coming who are a drain on our resources and it needs to stop

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Young people absolutely can get jobs. They just don’t to do them. Plenty of jobs in farming, plumbing, bricklaying you can walk into tomorrow (to be fair you’d probably need an apprenticeship in some of them). They just don’t want to do them. They want 9-4 with Fridays off in offices, not grafting outside in all weathers.

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 22:36

StarDolphins · 17/01/2025 22:12

Because their popularity has massively plummeted?

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That’s a reason not to, surely.

suburburban · 17/01/2025 22:35

Cattenberg · 16/01/2025 13:07

Most controversial reduce the population by cutting legal immigration, birth rates already below replacement etc (less people = less pressure on infrastructure, services and resources). Again this will have an inflationary consequence.

OK, so the birth rate will continue to fall, and the percentage of the population who are retired will increase year on year.

Now, who’s going to do the work? Who’s going to harvest our crops, provide our medical care, provide personal care for our elderly, educate our children, collect our rubbish, clean our streets, keep our supermarkets stocked… Perhaps reducing legal immigration wasn’t such a good idea, after all.

There was another thread on here saying the young people can't get jobs.

We need to prioritise who is already here.

There are too many people coming who are a drain on our resources and it needs to stop

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 22:26

1dayatatime · 17/01/2025 22:07

@PandoraSox

"I am (mostly) "economically inactive". I draw no unemployment benefits, nor am I registered as unemployed, nor am I looking for work. There are millions like me."

Absolutely there are millions like you - 9 million to be exact.

It should also absolutely be your choice whether you choose to work or not. But by not working you do become an unfair cost to other taxpayers. These taxpayers pay for the NHS that you use, they pay for the schools, the police, the military and even the roads you travel on.

I'm sure many people are in jobs that they would rather not do on Monday morning but they still do and as a result they pay income taxes to the government to pay for these things.

Can you see how some of these people going to work early on Monday morning might resent the fact that you chose not to but are benefiting from the taxes they pay.

I worked for around 35 years (more if you add in casual work I did as a student). I am now a full time carer for my DH who is disabled (who worked for nearly 40 years).

Feel free to resent me and my DH, but only if you take on my caring responsibilities and his disability.

BTW I still pay income tax. As do a lot of economically inactive people.