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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 14:09

Motomum23 · 16/01/2025 13:42

He could resign. No one in this country wants this government - those who did vote Labour didn't expect this shitshow.

Labour with their current majority is not going to commit electoral suicide with an election.

midgetastic · 16/01/2025 14:07

Do all MPs have to turn up? Inckudinf reform MPs? How often should an ordinary MP show up and help his local constituents?

At what level of international criticality would you say it's ok to get on with the work of being a prime minister rather than sit in an outdated room where people hurl insults and try to score verbal points rather than get on with the work?

There is work to be done

Things are actually better ( economy stronger , inflation slower) than people thought - the made up on MN economic crisis from last weekend is still being held at bay

Tittat50 · 16/01/2025 14:07

@Viviennemary I think if you dig you'll go find other grifters taking up more of your hard earned cash. Vis a Vis the RFamily for a start.

I'm no economist but if there was a way to implore larger companies to pay reasonable wages, I feel a fair amount of issues could be addressed. I don't know how easy that is to do and why they don't do it. I understand for small businesses this would not be so feasible to do.

I couldn't quantify numbers who feel this way, but there's a growing sense of anger at the situation with immigration ( no one really knows what's going on,I don't), but there's a bit of information out there to make people ask questions. He needs to jump on that. People are angry and if I was living in a coastal town, I believe I would feel angry. This two tier policing issue he needs to jump on. I believe this absolutely is happening.

Whoever talked about targeting Amazon for tax contributions. I don't understand economics well enough but to me going after the large organisations like this seems sensible to me.

The education system is a bit messy right now, particular SEN provision. I wonder how many of us affected here make up the vote. Possibly not enough for any change here to improve opinion of him. But there are thousands desperate for someone to improve this situation ( not necessarily the cause of Labour of course).

Same with socials care and the state of our NHS. Not their cause but doing something to show they acknowledge it.

Have they stepped away from the trans ideology push as yet? They need to because people are losing their mind over this now I'm quite sure.

The Tories were despicable imo and Reform frighten me. They'll suck people in with their pledge to address immigrants and allocate spending to the NHS and social care is my fear.

Thelittleweasel · 16/01/2025 13:54

@B0xes

He needs to be in the house of commons every day that it is sitting. As do all his ministers. He's gone off to Ukraine I believe.

maxplanck · 16/01/2025 13:52

@Motomum23 done a survey have we ?
Why not have a new GE and get Nige in to solve the mess the Tories left 😂

HRTQueen · 16/01/2025 13:49

Build closer working ties with the EU

Stop the mission of saving the NHS its broken, work on replacing the system with a good insurance system like in France or Germany. Free at the point of service is not worth holding onto if the service is poor like our health service is.

Change stance of sticking to making tough decisions and not being open to negotiating. As with pensioners fuel allowance and changers to farm inheritance tax. it is not going to win over any voters

Stop allowing so many overseas investors buying properties particularly in the cities and then being able to sale at huge profits with little tax paid. Often these properties are left empty. Its absolutely criminal. Only allow citizens to buy more than one property in the UK.

Higher taxes for landlords (I am a landlord) and second homes

Gas, electric and water companies to have to prioritise investment and charges inline with inflation before payments made out to shareholders. There should be a low percentage cap on money paid to shareholders

Watch your back, someone is likely to challenge you for leadership if your popularity does not improve my guess will be on Angela Rayner or Wes Streeting (message to Starmer himself)

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:48

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 16/01/2025 13:46

A migration tax. Charge immigrants 50k to come here. So that's 500,000 times 50k or 25 billion a year. They can pay it back over 25 years.

OK in theory but I don't think that you can find 500,000 people each year willing to pay £50k to come to the UK.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:46

@midgetastic

"Speed up net zero investment - it's a growth area and it will significantly reduce future costs "

The problem with that is that it will simply increase the cost of electricity to businesses and the remaining industries causing them to go bankrupt (and be replaced by imports eg steel, aluminium etc) or offshore to a country with cheaper energy.

All you achieve is further de industrialisation with industry shifting to much higher CO2 per capita emitters such as China. So all you do is trash the global environment and the economy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listoffcountriesbyycarbondioxideeemissionsperrcapita

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 16/01/2025 13:46

A migration tax. Charge immigrants 50k to come here. So that's 500,000 times 50k or 25 billion a year. They can pay it back over 25 years.

Motomum23 · 16/01/2025 13:42

He could resign. No one in this country wants this government - those who did vote Labour didn't expect this shitshow.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:39

@LoveSkaMusic

"He needs to instruct Reeves to tell the Bank of England to stop selling government bonds and lower interest rates. At the moment BoE policy is actively working against the economic growth policies that the government are trying to implement."

So if the BoE stops selling bonds then where exactly is the Government going to get the money to fund its budget deficit?

Of course it could simply print money but that generally doesn't work out too well. Or it could cut spending so that it has a balanced budget but that's not going to be too popular with voters.

midgetastic · 16/01/2025 13:38

Speed up net zero investment - it's a growth area and it will significantly reduce future costs

Keep going and ignore the doomsayers

Improve education - give children critical thinking skills and empathy to stop them focussing on small boats

EasternStandard · 16/01/2025 13:37

maxplanck · 16/01/2025 13:36

Beholden or standing by his guns ? Surely that’s a good thing rather than flip flopping like Johnson ? The guy cannot win, simple. Thatcher never U turned, decimated British industry, but she was a Tory and Teflon coated.

Up to you to decide how you feel. But it’s one thing that would help his own party, which he’s closed off,

Fluffyholeysocks · 16/01/2025 13:36

Slow down the investment in 'net zero' policies. The pain people are going through isn't worth it. It's increasing our utility bills - we pay some of the highest energy bills in Europe. Until we can see progress on infrastructure for and cost of electric cars, until we can afford heat pumps/green energy, until we can afford rail fares, we are feeling the financial strain but no discernable progress is being made.
He's also GOT to make progress on 'smashing the gangs' or 'stopping the boats'. You can't have new arrivals living in 4 star hotels while the homeless are living in tents. I don't know what the answer is but it is a stick Reform will keep beating them with until the numbers come down.
NHS - of all the Cabinet Ministers, I think Wes Streeting is the most able - he's been given a monumental task though and I don't think it's fixable. I hope he stays in post.
Recruit a statesman-like Foreign Secretary - with the incoming Trump administration, we need someone up to the job and can represent us on the global stage. Lammy isn't up to it.

maxplanck · 16/01/2025 13:36

EasternStandard · 16/01/2025 13:32

It’s strange to look back as that statement was two months pre Truss

I assume he was concerned about votes but had he waited there would have been more certainty about lower competition just due to dissatisfaction at a high

He’s now beholden to his own statements

Beholden or standing by his guns ? Surely that’s a good thing rather than flip flopping like Johnson ? The guy cannot win, simple. Thatcher never U turned, decimated British industry, but she was a Tory and Teflon coated.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:36

@ToBeOrNotToBee
"Get rid of the triple lock."

I don't disagree but you're not going to win many votes with that policy!

LoveSkaMusic · 16/01/2025 13:36

He needs to instruct Reeves to tell the Bank of England to stop selling government bonds and lower interest rates. At the moment BoE policy is actively working against the economic growth policies that the government are trying to implement.

Reeves does have the legal power to stop the BoE from doing this, but for some reason she won't use it.

Also, a wealth tax of say, 2% on those with over £10M in assets should be created. Taxes (as far as I know) are the only mechanism we have to rebalance wealth inequality in the UK.

Outside of that, I agree with previous posters about re-nationalisation of power/railways/water etc, and undoing Brexit.

Hurrayakitten · 16/01/2025 13:36

they need to come up with a workable plan for social care but instead of doing that, it has been kicked into the long grass again.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:34

@Cattenberg

"And what about in 20 years’ time, when we have millions more retirees , and thanks to the current low birth rate, not nearly enough young workers to replace them?"

Well in 20 years time the retirement age will simply be higher and most likely will be financially worse off. But it will pass in one generation.

But if you import large numbers of workers today to pay for the current number of pensioners then in 40 years time you need to import even more workers to pay for the higher number of pensioners and so on in some kind of Ponzi scheme of an ever growing population that places an impossible strain on infrastructure, health care, education, the economy and the environment.

As for the replacement of workers, as I said there are 9 million economically inactive in the UK today.

maxplanck · 16/01/2025 13:33

Anyone actually found any good things that they’ve done because there are some.
People moan about doom and gloom but there’s positive stuff that the MSM deliberately fail to tell us. Funny that….

HeadNorth · 16/01/2025 13:32

If’s he’s annoying the repugnant Musk to such an extent, then he must be doing something right 😁

EasternStandard · 16/01/2025 13:32

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 13:28

@EasternStandard

"Starmer ruled it out July 2022 and seems to have stuck to that

Probably a mistake for Labour"

Definitely a mistake. Joining the single market doesn't cost anything but it does create economic growth.

It’s strange to look back as that statement was two months pre Truss

I assume he was concerned about votes but had he waited there would have been more certainty about lower competition just due to dissatisfaction at a high

He’s now beholden to his own statements

TheAirfryerQueen · 16/01/2025 13:30

I was a brexiteer. I was wrong. We should rejoin the EU.

Introduce national rent control legislation. The current Bill doesn't go far enough.

Go back to basics with our railways to offer a simple pricing structure (like Switzerland) and make it cheap and easy for everyone to use.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/01/2025 13:28

Tax profits rather than employment.
Ban foreign residents and companies (without a certain amount of employees in the UK) from buying property and land.
Get rid of the triple lock.

maxplanck · 16/01/2025 13:28

@Viviennemary Does that include those pensioners raking in benefits that many didn’t pay for over their lifetimes ? Were you happy for the WFA to be means tested or changes to private education implemented ? I see a lot of people making comments like yours but when faced with cold hard reality they soon start moaning…