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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/01/2025 09:09

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 09:04

I think Labour need to understand the backlash more than using the media excuse

Not everyone likes him, clearly, it’s really not down to this

I’m not saying he’s perfect but I think the campaign against him is indicative of something very dangerous and which needs alot more spotlight on it.

Yes people should be very much free to criticise him, but there’s a huge issue with foreign backed propaganda trying to destabilise the UK. It’s no joke!

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 09:04

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/01/2025 08:56

I don’t think he’s made a series of wrong moves. He’s not perfect but I think he’s doing ok, and made quite a few really good moves.

The best thing he could do for the UK is rejoin the single market.

He’s unpopular with some because he has so much of the MSM against him (foreign owned), and a huge propaganda campaign on SM led from russia against him.

I think Labour need to understand the backlash more than using the media excuse

Not everyone likes him, clearly, it’s really not down to this

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/01/2025 08:56

I don’t think he’s made a series of wrong moves. He’s not perfect but I think he’s doing ok, and made quite a few really good moves.

The best thing he could do for the UK is rejoin the single market.

He’s unpopular with some because he has so much of the MSM against him (foreign owned), and a huge propaganda campaign on SM led from russia against him.

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:53

StScholastica · 17/01/2025 08:05

Please please Labour, look into all the "non jobs" often at director level, in the NHS and local government and get rid of at least half of them.
They would not be missed and actually things would function a hell of a lot better without them.

There are so many people trying to make a living out of looking busy but do sweet FA.
Meanwhile the rest of us at the coal face are run ragged and picking up the flack for our bosses and the last governments ineptitude.

It needs sorting.

https://www.nhsconfed.org/long-reads/nhs-overmanaged

Is the NHS overmanaged?

An in-depth look at one of the most persistent questions on NHS management.

https://www.nhsconfed.org/long-reads/nhs-overmanaged

x2boys · 17/01/2025 08:36

StScholastica · 17/01/2025 08:05

Please please Labour, look into all the "non jobs" often at director level, in the NHS and local government and get rid of at least half of them.
They would not be missed and actually things would function a hell of a lot better without them.

There are so many people trying to make a living out of looking busy but do sweet FA.
Meanwhile the rest of us at the coal face are run ragged and picking up the flack for our bosses and the last governments ineptitude.

It needs sorting.

The irony is it was under the last labour government that the many different tiers of management with their fancy sounding names were brought into the NHS.

StScholastica · 17/01/2025 08:05

Please please Labour, look into all the "non jobs" often at director level, in the NHS and local government and get rid of at least half of them.
They would not be missed and actually things would function a hell of a lot better without them.

There are so many people trying to make a living out of looking busy but do sweet FA.
Meanwhile the rest of us at the coal face are run ragged and picking up the flack for our bosses and the last governments ineptitude.

It needs sorting.

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 07:43

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 23:42

@BIossomtoes

"Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary."

You might not like it and I don't doubt it would be highly unpopular with voters but economically it would work and halt the managed decline.

Idk it’s more direct than Labour’s ‘grow the economy’ and ‘smash the gangs’ which they’ve mixed up and failing on

Feelingathomenow · 17/01/2025 07:42

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:14

Just to add, I am pro-immigration - so many of my friends are immigrants. They are net contributors to the UK, all work their backsides off. Three have just left since July though. In total they were paying tax and NICs of £600k per annum.

I’m not sure these are the type of immigrants people have an issue with. They probably fall into the non- dom group so many left wingers hate but are certain would never leave.

Feelingathomenow · 17/01/2025 07:39

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

Edited

Angela and David should be placed very firmly on the back bench.

i think there’s a consensus that Starmer will be gone by the end of the year - the trouble is which incompetent fool is going to step into the breech?

Lovemycat21 · 17/01/2025 01:03

Resign

HangryLikeTheHulk · 17/01/2025 00:00

meditrina · 16/01/2025 21:55

So essentially looking to be in the EEC, not the EU.

If the referendum had been on Maastricht, then we might still be in EEC

With Reform resurgant, though, I don't see this happening. We just have to make the best of the hand we've got.

Reform won only 5 seats so they’re ignorable.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 23:42

@BIossomtoes

"Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary."

You might not like it and I don't doubt it would be highly unpopular with voters but economically it would work and halt the managed decline.

Needspaceforlego · 16/01/2025 23:40

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:44

The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it.

Totally agree.
It's ridiculous they allowed it to be in Chinese ownership, who of course ran it down. And made cheaper steel in China.

Same with the oil refinery at Grangemouth.
If the UK was to ever end up at war with China we'd be helpless.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 23:39

@Anniedash

A bit blunt, honest and might need a bit of bullshitty spin on it, but economically it would work.

That said the problem you would have is that it's too honest and nobody would vote for it.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 23:30

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

Edited

Amusing, but so so true.

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:17

BIossomtoes · 16/01/2025 23:12

Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary.

Please forgive me for having an opinion that does not match yours.

Julen7 · 16/01/2025 23:17

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

I would vote for you!

And me

noblegiraffe · 16/01/2025 23:16

I'm always astonished to see Bridget Phillipson's name come up so often on here when people are slating Labour. It is not often that people even know who the Ed Sec is, let alone enough to single them out. Gavin Williamson was a notable exception. She doesn't seem to have massively pissed off the teaching profession yet (bar the NEU over the pay recommendation), so why does she have cut-through outside of that? Is it just the VAT on schools thing?

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:14

Just to add, I am pro-immigration - so many of my friends are immigrants. They are net contributors to the UK, all work their backsides off. Three have just left since July though. In total they were paying tax and NICs of £600k per annum.

BIossomtoes · 16/01/2025 23:12

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

I would vote for you!

Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary.

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

Edited

I would vote for you!

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:09

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:44

@MarvellousMable

"I don’t understand why they are giving uk tax payers’ money away to other countries, then taxing uk people more. "

The UK foreign aid budget is £13 billion but 30% of that is spent on asylum seekers entering the UK.

The idea on the rest is that by helping improve poorer countries then this will reduce the incentive for the population to seek to move to western countries and also reduce the probability of wars.

Well that's the idea anyway.

I don’t think it’s working though!!

theres is an easier solution that Australia implemented that has worked rather well

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:59

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:49

@caringcarer

"The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it."

What makes it even madder is that the reasons for TATA steel collapse is higher energy prices caused by the subsidies for renewables and a lack of tariffs on cheaper Chinese steel.

So in short the UK has managed to increase global emissions, close essential industries that feed other industries and lose highly skilled jobs.

Exactly this. I'm glad others can see this. A great pity neither past or current government can see it.

TheDork · 16/01/2025 22:56

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