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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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Julen7 · 17/01/2025 11:25

caringcarer · 17/01/2025 10:42

The NHS waste so much money on Equity, Diversity and inclusion Czars who are all employed on over £100k each and they have so many of them. We need more nurses not Czars. The NHS already has good diversity and inclusion so no need for so many of them.

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Yeah scrap all that

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 11:23

Zuve · 17/01/2025 11:17

He should go shopping and then he will understand what he has done

What? What has he done? Did you not notice the CoL crisis before now?

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 11:22

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 11:08

Their manifesto - which has conveniently disappeared from their website - also promised to remove all front line NHS staff earning less than £50k from income tax liability altogether. God alone knows what that would cost.

It is actually still there. You click on "our policies" to download it. I feel dirty now.

Zuve · 17/01/2025 11:17

He should go shopping and then he will understand what he has done

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 17/01/2025 11:16

Resign

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 11:13

Alwaystired94 · 17/01/2025 11:12

did reform have any plans for education besides removing woke from schools? Shame the manifesto has gone!

I know. I wish I’d screenshot it now.

Alwaystired94 · 17/01/2025 11:12

did reform have any plans for education besides removing woke from schools? Shame the manifesto has gone!

Alwaystired94 · 17/01/2025 11:12

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 11:08

Their manifesto - which has conveniently disappeared from their website - also promised to remove all front line NHS staff earning less than £50k from income tax liability altogether. God alone knows what that would cost.

it shows either a) total lack of knowledge on how many of the front line NHS staff fit under that bracket (a hell of a lot) or b) not caring because they know they can't do it and needed to whack something in to try and appeal to voters who are moderate but maybe don't realise how high a percentage of the NHS that would be...

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 11:08

Their manifesto - which has conveniently disappeared from their website - also promised to remove all front line NHS staff earning less than £50k from income tax liability altogether. God alone knows what that would cost.

Alwaystired94 · 17/01/2025 11:01

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 10:51

They never set out how they would pay for this, though. They wanted to increase the threshold to £20k, I think.

Putting a few uncosted sweetners in their "contract" doesn't make Reform any the less odious or far right.

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exactly. if anything it shows how disingenuous they are considering they put that in there with no way to budget for it, knowing it wouldn't need to be done.

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 10:51

caringcarer · 17/01/2025 10:46

Restore WFA and increase tax threshold are Reform policies. You know the party who is supposed to be far right because they want to house people who already live here before people coming over on boats illegally.

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They never set out how they would pay for this, though. They wanted to increase the threshold to £20k, I think.

Putting a few uncosted sweetners in their "contract" doesn't make Reform any the less odious or far right.

caringcarer · 17/01/2025 10:46

Augustus40 · 17/01/2025 10:28

They should reinstate the winter fuel payment. Lower state pension to age 65. Plus increase the tax threshold to start from 14k. Ensure the state pension triple lock continues too.

Restore WFA and increase tax threshold are Reform policies. You know the party who is supposed to be far right because they want to house people who already live here before people coming over on boats illegally.

Alwaystired94 · 17/01/2025 10:46

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 09:46

Guess which way those comments will translate into votes. Here’s a hint, they won’t be going to Reform.

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while i was surprised at the amount of votes they had at GE, there is only so much 'growth' of their vote share.

Traditional Labour or LibDem voters are hardly going to be switching to them in their droves. Tories yes. Greens hell no.

So they're primarily taking votes away from the Tories, splitting the right vote.

if it wouldn't completely ruin my life and many others, i'd almost want them to get in and show how little of value hey can actually achieve. But i'm not willing for the country to crash and burn to prove a point.

caringcarer · 17/01/2025 10:43

Pressed to soon. Which is already 2023-24 over 40 million.

caringcarer · 17/01/2025 10:42

StScholastica · 17/01/2025 08:05

Please please Labour, look into all the "non jobs" often at director level, in the NHS and local government and get rid of at least half of them.
They would not be missed and actually things would function a hell of a lot better without them.

There are so many people trying to make a living out of looking busy but do sweet FA.
Meanwhile the rest of us at the coal face are run ragged and picking up the flack for our bosses and the last governments ineptitude.

It needs sorting.

The NHS waste so much money on Equity, Diversity and inclusion Czars who are all employed on over £100k each and they have so many of them. We need more nurses not Czars. The NHS already has good diversity and inclusion so no need for so many of them.

Cattenberg · 17/01/2025 10:41

creamsnugjumper · 17/01/2025 10:17

This with bells on. Utter incompetence that's bordering on dangerous.

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Yet another poster who’s in favour of a (very) early general election.

So, who would you like to win?

1dayatatime · 17/01/2025 10:40

@PandoraSox

"How would you propose paying for all this in reality?"

I imagine it will be the usual MN response of "tax the rich " with rich being defined as anyone earning more than me but most definitely not me!

taxguru · 17/01/2025 10:36

creamsnugjumper · 17/01/2025 10:17

This with bells on. Utter incompetence that's bordering on dangerous.

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I agree, they need to realise that running a country isn't as easy as taking part in a sixth form debating society.

Much as I didn't agree with Corbyn, at least he had a rational plan that made kind of sense. Starmer, Reeves and Raynor are just thrashing around playing the politics of envy to "punish" those who they think need punishing without the slightest concern for the damage to the "bigger picture". School day politics at it's worst! I'd far rather have Corbyn as PM than Starmer.

wholettheturnipsburn · 17/01/2025 10:35

TheDork · 16/01/2025 22:56

Hi Kier 👋

Did that sound witty on your head?

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 10:31

I don't. Mostly these days I ignore your posts tbh. But occasionally I respond. Will cease again now.

I was going to reply but this seems the best option. That would be great.

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 10:30

Augustus40 · 17/01/2025 10:28

They should reinstate the winter fuel payment. Lower state pension to age 65. Plus increase the tax threshold to start from 14k. Ensure the state pension triple lock continues too.

How would you propose paying for all this in reality?

I don't disagree that they would be good things, but lowering the pension age in particular would be unaffordable.

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 10:28

Agree that Labour needs to sort its comms and quickly.

Augustus40 · 17/01/2025 10:28

They should reinstate the winter fuel payment. Lower state pension to age 65. Plus increase the tax threshold to start from 14k. Ensure the state pension triple lock continues too.

Rosiecidar · 17/01/2025 10:24

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 10:11

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. They could do with employing the actual Campbell for a few months to set the strategy and recruit a crack team to implement it.

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Well since he literally won't say a thing against Labour on The Rest Is Politics podcast I suspect he's checking his CV for typos now

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 10:22

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 10:17

Oh dear..

I think you need to focus on someone else. I mean that in a helpful way. It’s not good to get so tied up on some posts about Labour’s economic policies.

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I don't. Mostly these days I ignore your posts tbh. But occasionally I respond. Will cease again now.

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